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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
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By *oodmess OP Man
over a year ago
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Interesting observations on Marr this morning. There'll be no EU commission after the 31's Oct, so raised the prospect of no deal being pushed though by default.
The arithmetic in Parliament leaves any incumbent PM with the same problem of getting their deal through as a leadership race wastes time and pushing for a no deals is a dangerous thing in splitting the party.
There will be no time or inclination to renegotiate with the EU 27 as they want to protect themselves due to the fragility of the elections. There is a set process for any leaving country - the withdrawal agreement was set out by the 27 in withdrawing first and then agreeing any trade agreement thereafter which isn't going to change.
A compromise solution is an essential for any PM as no deal will not get through the party or parliament.
Think this remainer will keep his job? Is no deal the real can-down-road default? |
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By *oodmess OP Man
over a year ago
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And too Chakrabarti was on who said Labour would try and push for a general election. Try! It makes you wonder what the point indicative votes were as trying to get no deal off the table in trying to get a gen election in this worst kind of scenarios doesn't seem too hard an effort. |
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"And too Chakrabarti was on who said Labour would try and push for a general election. Try! It makes you wonder what the point indicative votes were as trying to get no deal off the table in trying to get a gen election in this worst kind of scenarios doesn't seem too hard an effort. "
Corbyn and his cronies are just like those in the Lib Dems and Chukka and his buddies in as much as they want another General election because they didn't like the result of the last one |
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By *oodmess OP Man
over a year ago
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"And too Chakrabarti was on who said Labour would try and push for a general election. Try! It makes you wonder what the point indicative votes were as trying to get no deal off the table in trying to get a gen election in this worst kind of scenarios doesn't seem too hard an effort.
Corbyn and his cronies are just like those in the Lib Dems and Chukka and his buddies in as much as they want another General election because they didn't like the result of the last one"
Realistically ... if the remainer/ europhile tory's really don't like the no deal PM route, then I wonder if they would side with any no confidence / ge motion. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
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Wrong,Brussels says no so we our out and parliament becomes irrevilent |
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Honesty and open speaking hasn't been practised in the conservatives for some time.
The choices and steps to take are the same.
The intelligent leader would cancel Article 50, as parliament has no new options. If the new leader does not, it's a sign of low intelligence. As well as a willingness to make the UK suffer. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
Wrong,Brussels says no so we our out and parliament becomes irrevilent"
I'd say that's many hard bexiteers preferred option, all the negative consequences could be blamed on the EU. Anyhow I don't think the EU will do you that favour. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"And too Chakrabarti was on who said Labour would try and push for a general election. Try! It makes you wonder what the point indicative votes were as trying to get no deal off the table in trying to get a gen election in this worst kind of scenarios doesn't seem too hard an effort.
Corbyn and his cronies are just like those in the Lib Dems and Chukka and his buddies in as much as they want another General election because they didn't like the result of the last one"
. Like the Tory MPs who want ( and have got ) another leadership election ,,,,,,,,, """ because they didn't like the result of the last one """ |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
Wrong,Brussels says no so we our out and parliament becomes irrevilent"
Lol the UK Parliament is irrelevant?
How very democratic of you to think so.
Parliament stopped No Deal Brexit in its tracks last time and will do so again.
And how ironic you are pinning your hopes on the EU to deliver the UK's exit.
The Commission is already planning for a fresh extension request from the UK.
And even if the Council of Ministers says No, I suspect when it boils down to a choice between a No Deal exit or revocation of Article 50, a majority in Parliament will revoke.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
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As i understand it, we get thrown out of the eu regardless on 31st October. |
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As far as the EU is concerned, there is only one deal.
We either accept it or not.
We have triggered A.50. If nothing changes, we are out on 31.10.19 eiither with this faulty deal or with no deal.
Life will go on. |
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"As far as the EU is concerned, there is only one deal.
We either accept it or not.
We have triggered A.50. If nothing changes, we are out on 31.10.19 eiither with this faulty deal or with no deal.
Life will go on."
Compromise will win the day..
With a dose of common sense and a desire by the majority to avoid a no deal..
The EU after the recent elections may wish to try and marginalise the populism and the fringes by showing it can do.. |
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"As far as the EU is concerned, there is only one deal.
We either accept it or not.
We have triggered A.50. If nothing changes, we are out on 31.10.19 eiither with this faulty deal or with no deal.
Life will go on.
Compromise will win the day..
With a dose of common sense and a desire by the majority to avoid a no deal..
The EU after the recent elections may wish to try and marginalise the populism and the fringes by showing it can do.. "
While all reasonable folks would agree, we are talking about our political classes and the phrase "common sense" has been devoid of a sponsor. |
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"As far as the EU is concerned, there is only one deal.
We either accept it or not.
We have triggered A.50. If nothing changes, we are out on 31.10.19 eiither with this faulty deal or with no deal.
Life will go on.
Compromise will win the day..
With a dose of common sense and a desire by the majority to avoid a no deal..
The EU after the recent elections may wish to try and marginalise the populism and the fringes by showing it can do..
While all reasonable folks would agree, we are talking about our political classes and the phrase "common sense" has been devoid of a sponsor."
Tend to agree with the lack of common sense but think if the 31st is not to be extended it will be fudged to get it through..
Tories will not allow a GE and a no deal will be blocked by Parliament, think the speakers role could be interesting.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can see the EU kicking the uk out if we don’t decide to stay or go, all the bullshit about renegotiating a new deal is just that!
The EU have said over again that’s the deal agree or leave with no deal.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Clause 12 of the legal agreement between the UK and EU to extend the Article 50 period until October 31 states:
"This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement."
Any candidate for the Conservative leadership who says they will re-open the negotiation is either ignorant or dishonest.
It simply cannot happen. |
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"Clause 12 of the legal agreement between the UK and EU to extend the Article 50 period until October 31 states:
"This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement."
Any candidate for the Conservative leadership who says they will re-open the negotiation is either ignorant or dishonest.
It simply cannot happen."
It is the EU....if they want to do ir, they will call it an appendix or some other diplomatic term.
It probably won't happen but never say it is cut and dried. Diplomats on both sides are duplicitous when it comes to "never". |
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"Clause 12 of the legal agreement between the UK and EU to extend the Article 50 period until October 31 states:
"This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement."
Any candidate for the Conservative leadership who says they will re-open the negotiation is either ignorant or dishonest.
It simply cannot happen.
It is the EU....if they want to do ir, they will call it an appendix or some other diplomatic term.
It probably won't happen but never say it is cut and dried. Diplomats on both sides are duplicitous when it comes to "never"."
But it's not in a future PMs gift here. So shouldn't be promised or planned for. |
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"It's predictable.
New PM goes to Brussels full of bluster about negotiating a different deal.
Brussels says no.
PM comes home saying it's a No Deal exit.
Parliament says No.
Back to square one.
As i understand it, we get thrown out of the eu regardless on 31st October. "
We don't get thrown out at any time. On the 31st October or before we either leave with a deal, leave with 'no deal', extend Article 50 or revoke Article 50. All our choice except that if we go for extension the EU could say no, but it won't.
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"As far as the EU is concerned, there is only one deal.
We either accept it or not.
We have triggered A.50. If nothing changes, we are out on 31.10.19 eiither with this faulty deal or with no deal.
Life will go on."
True but, like the 29th March, it will change if no deal has been reached. It's just a case of whether the new PM is forced to change it or does it themselves.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Clause 12 of the legal agreement between the UK and EU to extend the Article 50 period until October 31 states:
"This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement."
Any candidate for the Conservative leadership who says they will re-open the negotiation is either ignorant or dishonest.
It simply cannot happen.
It is the EU....if they want to do ir, they will call it an appendix or some other diplomatic term.
It probably won't happen but never say it is cut and dried. Diplomats on both sides are duplicitous when it comes to "never"."
The EU has disbanded its negotiating team. That's a bit of a clue, me thinks.
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