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Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?  |
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I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country."
I think you will find that most English people do not really care about being the bigger part of the UK.
They would much rather just get on with life  |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think you will find that most English people do not really care about being the bigger part of the UK.
They would much rather just get on with life "
Exactly. I've said this several times on here, I really don't think English people care one way or the other |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country."
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire. |
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"water, electricity, land ownership by the political elite in whitehall etc etc."
Pretty much this. Obviously, England could go it alone. However, their elites - political and otherwise - cannot bear the loss of Scotland.
Why Scotland, in particular? Well, it's about a third of the UK's landmass and it's surrounded by a lot of important territorial water - which would not be English; were England to go it alone. Plus, Trident's replacement would have to be docked in England.
The loss of Wales and Northern Ireland would be a further blow to the pride of the English elites.
They and their kind have no use for the Scottish, Welsh or N. Irish people; they care nothing for us. They've just shown, in order to suit their own purposes, that they'll even take a massive shit all over their own supporters in Scotland - the fishermen.
To Boris and his kind, the people who fund them and the people whose bidding he does; we're just an inconvenience. We don't vote for them; indeed, most of us oppose them.
But the loss of all that land, all that water, all that "ownership"; they'll never give that up - and they'll go out of their way to ignore democracy in order to keep their privileges, because they see them as rights.
And, just for a moment; what would be left to them - if they did decide to only govern themselves? Something else they're not keen on - an England even more divided now, than it became under Thatcher. |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ? "
I don't recall ever being asked in a vote and as England does not have a separate parliament I do not expect it any time soon |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think you will find that most English people do not really care about being the bigger part of the UK.
They would much rather just get on with life "
I see us as one nation a great nation. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire."
No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap |
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And that’s the crux of the position- Westminster is England’s parliament. Why would it suggest a vote which would remove its reason to be? It’d tear its metaphysical heart out and burn it on a pyre, not to mention entirely diminish the England brand. |
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"water, electricity, land ownership by the political elite in whitehall etc etc.
Pretty much this. Obviously, England could go it alone. However, their elites - political and otherwise - cannot bear the loss of Scotland.
Why Scotland, in particular? Well, it's about a third of the UK's landmass and it's surrounded by a lot of important territorial water - which would not be English; were England to go it alone. Plus, Trident's replacement would have to be docked in England.
The loss of Wales and Northern Ireland would be a further blow to the pride of the English elites.
They and their kind have no use for the Scottish, Welsh or N. Irish people; they care nothing for us. They've just shown, in order to suit their own purposes, that they'll even take a massive shit all over their own supporters in Scotland - the fishermen.
To Boris and his kind, the people who fund them and the people whose bidding he does; we're just an inconvenience. We don't vote for them; indeed, most of us oppose them.
But the loss of all that land, all that water, all that "ownership"; they'll never give that up - and they'll go out of their way to ignore democracy in order to keep their privileges, because they see them as rights.
And, just for a moment; what would be left to them - if they did decide to only govern themselves? Something else they're not keen on - an England even more divided now, than it became under Thatcher."
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap"
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap "
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ? "
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ? "
Well the biggest problem with what you said is the phrase 'self sufficient resources'. Little England just isn't resource rich. We have to import most of our raw materials. And our manufacturing base isn't that big anymore. And there is no reason to invest capital here anymore. |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire."
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.  |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh. "
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
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Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/ |
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the political class seem to not want to invest their money in the country, but rather hold their wealth offshore out of reach of HMRC. it appears that they do however expect foreign actors to invest in the country and charge the population for the assets they already own and benefit from. |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh. "
Do you genuinely think this, and if so, does the world need another British empire?
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/"
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh. "
Who will be the first ‘nation’ to join our empire? |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.
Who will be the first ‘nation’ to join our empire? "
Not us can't have a empire with glitter bombs Unicorns and butterflies as air superiority. |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
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Well, no, that’s not what it actually means. The ‘we’ bit makes me think you don’t realise it’s not a gift but is actually a grant of some of the payments sent to the treasury from Scotland or part of the amount borrowed by the UK. |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
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Generous to the extent that every £10 Westminster takes they give us £6:85 back. Aye ok. |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
Generous to the extent that every £10 Westminster takes they give us £6:85 back. Aye ok. "
Sorry you’ve forgotten to post a link to that claim? |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
Generous to the extent that every £10 Westminster takes they give us £6:85 back. Aye ok.
Sorry you’ve forgotten to post a link to that claim? "
Devils in the details. |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
Generous to the extent that every £10 Westminster takes they give us £6:85 back. Aye ok.
Sorry you’ve forgotten to post a link to that claim?
Devils in the details. "
You can make whatever claims you like, but you’re maybe not going to win many people over without credible evidence. |
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"Many people in England are sick to the back teeth of listening to the Scots going on and on about independence. Let the English vote on it and you may very well get what you want."
Are we?
It's nothing to do with us English at all anyway. |
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"Many people in England are sick to the back teeth of listening to the Scots going on and on about independence. Let the English vote on it and you may very well get what you want.
Are we?
It's nothing to do with us English at all anyway. "
Funny, I thought that's why the Scottish Nationalists wanted to leave leave |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ?
Can you put a rough figure on that Scottish contribution to the UK budget?
On the face of it, Westminster spends 17.3% more on public expenditure in Scotland than the UK average:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula
Better explanation here.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17837412.barnett-formula-knew-dead-means-scotland/
Ah I see, from your link:
“The effect of lower population growth in Scotland is that the existing block grant is spread over a relatively smaller base, (remembering that Barnett only dealt in increments), so tending to increase relative public expenditure per head.“
So yep, as I thought, we are very generous to our Scottish chums.
Generous to the extent that every £10 Westminster takes they give us £6:85 back. Aye ok.
Sorry you’ve forgotten to post a link to that claim?
Devils in the details.
You can make whatever claims you like, but you’re maybe not going to win many people over without credible evidence. "
Wiki the bible ?
Anymore and I’ll turn the fresh water tap off
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"Many people in England are sick to the back teeth of listening to the Scots going on and on about independence. Let the English vote on it and you may very well get what you want."
Speak for yourself |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland."
The US can’t even defend congress |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland."
Its not the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog that counts.  |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
The US can’t even defend congress "
Wasn't their job now was it. Fact check it was DC Police that failed. But the Military did defend the inauguration. Silly you  |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.Its not the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog that counts. "
And we have a Bulldog |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.Its not the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog that counts.
And we have a Bulldog "
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland."
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent"
Lessons learned applies to new wars. Adapt. It's called asymmetrical now your military has to adapt to that. Since it's going to be on constant defense posture. What happens if argentina decides to have another go at the Falklands. They might take it this time around. |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent"
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent
Lessons learned applies to new wars. Adapt. It's called asymmetrical now your military has to adapt to that. Since it's going to be on constant defense posture. What happens if argentina decides to have another go at the Falklands. They might take it this time around."
no chance we now have typhoons a ground to air defence system unlike before when there was just 68 marines and 11 sailors. |
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent
Lessons learned applies to new wars. Adapt. It's called asymmetrical now your military has to adapt to that. Since it's going to be on constant defense posture. What happens if argentina decides to have another go at the Falklands. They might take it this time around.no chance we now have typhoons a ground to air defence system unlike before when there was just 68 marines and 11 sailors. "
You are correct just looked up defense for Falklands vs Argentina. Argentina lacks the troop transports to get there to outnumber the defenders. |
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"Did you know that the Falklands have Macaroni Penguins?
Who knew lol.Really hard to get the wrappers of those ones.
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Did you know Edinburgh was the first zoo in the world to breed Macaroni penguins...
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Could England manage by itself?
doubtful under the current government.
Your military saying it can't defend the homeland.
I would have thought America would know better than anyone not to underestimate a smaller opponent
Lessons learned applies to new wars. Adapt. It's called asymmetrical now your military has to adapt to that. Since it's going to be on constant defense posture. What happens if argentina decides to have another go at the Falklands. They might take it this time around.no chance we now have typhoons a ground to air defence system unlike before when there was just 68 marines and 11 sailors.
You are correct just looked up defense for Falklands vs Argentina. Argentina lacks the troop transports to get there to outnumber the defenders."
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"Did you know that the Falklands have Macaroni Penguins?
Who knew lol.Really hard to get the wrappers of those ones.
lol
Did you know Edinburgh was the first zoo in the world to breed Macaroni penguins...
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The mind boggles lol. I have to say that I didn't know what a macaroni penguin was until 20mins ago. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Did you know that the Falklands have Macaroni Penguins?
Who knew lol.Really hard to get the wrappers of those ones.
lol
Did you know Edinburgh was the first zoo in the world to breed Macaroni penguins...
The mind boggles lol. I have to say that I didn't know what a macaroni penguin was until 20mins ago. "
Every day is a school day. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Did you know that the Falklands have Macaroni Penguins?
Who knew lol.Really hard to get the wrappers of those ones.
lol
Did you know Edinburgh was the first zoo in the world to breed Macaroni penguins...
The mind boggles lol. I have to say that I didn't know what a macaroni penguin was until 20mins ago. Every day is a school day. "
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the argument for a union is similar to that of scotland, better as a union. Why some scots think english people love west minster more than them i cant imagine!
Of course england could unite with france, against wles and scotland, go back to being grande britannia, doesnt it come from being part of greater brittany? i aint checked but think it does. so ties are there! |
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Talking of a union, or alliance if you will, there is of course the “Auld alliance” an alliance made in 1295 between the kingdoms of Scotland and France for the purpose of controlling England's invasions...
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By *ebbie69Couple
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"Hence the reason Mary, Queen of Scotland and France, was superior to Elizabeth, Queen of England and Ireland. And the many French words in Scots."
Was she not beheaded during Elizabeth's reign |
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"Hence the reason Mary, Queen of Scotland and France, was superior to Elizabeth, Queen of England and Ireland. And the many French words in Scots.
Was she not beheaded during Elizabeth's reign"
“ In manus tuas, Domine, commendo spiritum meum”
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By *ebbie69Couple
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"Hence the reason Mary, Queen of Scotland and France, was superior to Elizabeth, Queen of England and Ireland. And the many French words in Scots.
Was she not beheaded during Elizabeth's reign
“ In manus tuas, Domine, commendo spiritum meum”
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"Hence the reason Mary, Queen of Scotland and France, was superior to Elizabeth, Queen of England and Ireland. And the many French words in Scots.
Was she not beheaded during Elizabeth's reign"
The point being she was executed by a technically lesser queen. Such is history.
Scots is also full of Dutch and Scandinavian words too, as is English. The UK is such a mixture of foreigners - everybody has an immigrant as a relative. |
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"Talking of a union, or alliance if you will, there is of course the “Auld alliance” an alliance made in 1295 between the kingdoms of Scotland and France for the purpose of controlling England's invasions...
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can i be the meat in the french scot sandwich? sorry ive lowered the tone! |
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"Hence the reason Mary, Queen of Scotland and France, was superior to Elizabeth, Queen of England and Ireland. And the many French words in Scots.
Was she not beheaded during Elizabeth's reign
The point being she was executed by a technically lesser queen. Such is history.
Scots is also full of Dutch and Scandinavian words too, as is English. The UK is such a mixture of foreigners - everybody has an immigrant as a relative."
And German
kirk - kirche
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"Talking of a union, or alliance if you will, there is of course the “Auld alliance” an alliance made in 1295 between the kingdoms of Scotland and France for the purpose of controlling England's invasions...
can i be the meat in the french scot sandwich? sorry ive lowered the tone! "
How about an ashet pie - a traditional Scottish plate pie which only has pastry on top (from the French word assiette -plate) |
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Allowance – from the Old French word alouance (payment)
Apostrophe – from the French word apostrophe
Attaché – from the French word attaché (attached)
Apéritif – from the French word apéritif
Avant-garde – from the French word avant-garde
Aviation – from the French word aviation
Bachelor – from the Anglo-Norman word bacheler (bachelier in modern French)
Baguette – from the French word baguette (stick)
Ballet – from the French word ballet
Beret – from the French word béret
Bon voyage – from the French phrase bon voyage (have a good journey)
Brunette – from the French word brunette
Bureau – from the French word bureau (desk, office)
Cabaret – from the French word cabaret
Cadet – from the French word _adet
Champagne – from the French word champagne
Chauffeur – from the French word chauffeur
Chic – from the French word chic (elegant)
Cliché – from the French word cliché
Connoisseur – from the French word connoisseur
Cul-de-sac – from the French word cul-de-sac (bottom of the bag/sack)
Debris – from the French word débris (broken, crumbled)
Déjà vu – from the French words déjà (already) and vu (seen – past participle of ‘voir’)
Delegate – from the Old French word delegat
Detour – from the French word détour (from détourner)
Dossier – from the French word dossier
Eau de toilette – from the French word eau de toilette
Elite – from the Old French word elit (chosen)
Energy – from the Middle French word énergie
En route – from the French en route
Envisage – from the French word envisager
Expatriate – from the French word expatrier
Facade – from the French word façade
Faux, as in faux fur – from the French word faux (false)
Faux-pas – from the French word faux pas
Fiancé – from the French word fiancé
Film noir – from the French word film noir (a film genre)
Gallery – from the Old French word galerie
Gastronomy – from the French word gastronomie
Gateau – from the French word gâteau
Gazette – from the French word gazette
Heritage – from the Old French word eritage (héritage in modern French)
Homage – from the Old French word homage
Hotel – from the French word hôtel
Identity – from the Middle French word identité
Illusion – from the Old French word illusion
Insult – from the Middle French words insult (noun) and insulter (verb)
Irony – from the Middle French word ironie
Jubilee – from the Middle French word jubile (modern French jubilé)
Kilogram – from the French word kilogramme
Lacrosse – from the Canadian French word la crosse (the stick)
Laissez-faire – from the French word laissez-faire (leave things to take their course)
Liaison – from the French word liaison
Literature – from the Old French word littérature
Machine – from the Middle French word machine
Magnificent – from the Middle French word magnificent
Maisonette – from the French word maisonette
Massage – from the French word massage
Menu – from the French word menu
Metabolism – from the French word métabolisme
Metro – from the French word métro
Musketeer – from the French word mousquetaire
Navy – from the Old French word navie
Neutral – from the Middle French word neutral
Nocturnal – from the Middle French word nocturnal
Novel – from the Old French word novel
Occasion – from the Middle French word occasion
Omelette – from the French word omelette
Optimism – from the French word optimisme
Papier-mâché – from the French word papier-mâché
Parasol – from the French word parasol
Poetic – from the Middle French word poétique
Premiere – from the French word première
Purify – from the Old French word purifier
Recipient – from the Middle French word récipient
Rendez-vous – from the French word rendez-vous (appointment)
Reservoir – from the French word ‘réservoir’ (collection place)
Restaurant – from the French word restaurant
Ricochet – from the French word ricochet
Rich – from the French word riche
Ridicule – from the French word ridicule
Risqué – from the French word risqué
Sabotage – from the French word sabotage
Salad – from the French word salade
Sentiment – from the Old French word sentement
Silhouette – from the French word silhouette
Solicitor – from the Middle French word soliciteur
Souvenir – from the French word souvenir (memory)
Soufflé – from the French word soufflé
Soup – from the French word soupe
Technique – from the French word technique
Television – from the French word télévision
Tournament – from the Old French word tornoiement (tournoiement in modern French)
Uniform – from the Middle French word uniforme
Utensil – from the Old French word utensile
Valid – from the Middle French word valide
Variety – from the Middle French word varieté
Vinaigrette – from the French word vinaigrette
Zest – from the French word zeste
damn those flashy french peacocks lol this list misses out key words like sabre foil and another sword word that has escaped me but on guard! |
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Was it not Melvin Bragg who wrote that many of English’s words for war were french? In Scots they are every day ones generally and interesting words brought back from soldiering in Scandinavia lol. Many Dutch words too, of the countryside and commerce, from trading routes to the Low Countries. In fact Friesian can be understood by Scots speakers.
‘Kirk’ is pretty universal all over the Nordic countries |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire."
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap"
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap
just a Troll"
Pretty much...
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.No brexiteers do not think that you are full of crap
just a Troll"
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ? "
Going it alone, one country has done that already, its sandwiched between south korea and china.
It also has a fat leader also. Coincidence? |
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"Allowance – from the Old French word alouance (payment)
Apostrophe – from the French word apostrophe
Attaché – from the French word attaché (attached)
Apéritif – from the French word apéritif
Avant-garde – from the French word avant-garde
Aviation – from the French word aviation
Bachelor – from the Anglo-Norman word bacheler (bachelier in modern French)
Baguette – from the French word baguette (stick)
Ballet – from the French word ballet
Beret – from the French word béret
Bon voyage – from the French phrase bon voyage (have a good journey)
Brunette – from the French word brunette
Bureau – from the French word bureau (desk, office)
Cabaret – from the French word cabaret
Cadet – from the French word _adet
Champagne – from the French word champagne
Chauffeur – from the French word chauffeur
Chic – from the French word chic (elegant)
Cliché – from the French word cliché
Connoisseur – from the French word connoisseur
Cul-de-sac – from the French word cul-de-sac (bottom of the bag/sack)
Debris – from the French word débris (broken, crumbled)
Déjà vu – from the French words déjà (already) and vu (seen – past participle of ‘voir’)
Delegate – from the Old French word delegat
Detour – from the French word détour (from détourner)
Dossier – from the French word dossier
Eau de toilette – from the French word eau de toilette
Elite – from the Old French word elit (chosen)
Energy – from the Middle French word énergie
En route – from the French en route
Envisage – from the French word envisager
Expatriate – from the French word expatrier
Facade – from the French word façade
Faux, as in faux fur – from the French word faux (false)
Faux-pas – from the French word faux pas
Fiancé – from the French word fiancé
Film noir – from the French word film noir (a film genre)
Gallery – from the Old French word galerie
Gastronomy – from the French word gastronomie
Gateau – from the French word gâteau
Gazette – from the French word gazette
Heritage – from the Old French word eritage (héritage in modern French)
Homage – from the Old French word homage
Hotel – from the French word hôtel
Identity – from the Middle French word identité
Illusion – from the Old French word illusion
Insult – from the Middle French words insult (noun) and insulter (verb)
Irony – from the Middle French word ironie
Jubilee – from the Middle French word jubile (modern French jubilé)
Kilogram – from the French word kilogramme
Lacrosse – from the Canadian French word la crosse (the stick)
Laissez-faire – from the French word laissez-faire (leave things to take their course)
Liaison – from the French word liaison
Literature – from the Old French word littérature
Machine – from the Middle French word machine
Magnificent – from the Middle French word magnificent
Maisonette – from the French word maisonette
Massage – from the French word massage
Menu – from the French word menu
Metabolism – from the French word métabolisme
Metro – from the French word métro
Musketeer – from the French word mousquetaire
Navy – from the Old French word navie
Neutral – from the Middle French word neutral
Nocturnal – from the Middle French word nocturnal
Novel – from the Old French word novel
Occasion – from the Middle French word occasion
Omelette – from the French word omelette
Optimism – from the French word optimisme
Papier-mâché – from the French word papier-mâché
Parasol – from the French word parasol
Poetic – from the Middle French word poétique
Premiere – from the French word première
Purify – from the Old French word purifier
Recipient – from the Middle French word récipient
Rendez-vous – from the French word rendez-vous (appointment)
Reservoir – from the French word ‘réservoir’ (collection place)
Restaurant – from the French word restaurant
Ricochet – from the French word ricochet
Rich – from the French word riche
Ridicule – from the French word ridicule
Risqué – from the French word risqué
Sabotage – from the French word sabotage
Salad – from the French word salade
Sentiment – from the Old French word sentement
Silhouette – from the French word silhouette
Solicitor – from the Middle French word soliciteur
Souvenir – from the French word souvenir (memory)
Soufflé – from the French word soufflé
Soup – from the French word soupe
Technique – from the French word technique
Television – from the French word télévision
Tournament – from the Old French word tornoiement (tournoiement in modern French)
Uniform – from the Middle French word uniforme
Utensil – from the Old French word utensile
Valid – from the Middle French word valide
Variety – from the Middle French word varieté
Vinaigrette – from the French word vinaigrette
Zest – from the French word zeste
damn those flashy french peacocks lol this list misses out key words like sabre foil and another sword word that has escaped me but on guard! "
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"Allowance – from the Old French word alouance (payment)
Apostrophe – from the French word apostrophe
Attaché – from the French word attaché (attached)
Apéritif – from the French word apéritif
Avant-garde – from the French word avant-garde
Aviation – from the French word aviation
Bachelor – from the Anglo-Norman word bacheler (bachelier in modern French)
Baguette – from the French word baguette (stick)
Ballet – from the French word ballet
Beret – from the French word béret
Bon voyage – from the French phrase bon voyage (have a good journey)
Brunette – from the French word brunette
Bureau – from the French word bureau (desk, office)
Cabaret – from the French word cabaret
Cadet – from the French word _adet
Champagne – from the French word champagne
Chauffeur – from the French word chauffeur
Chic – from the French word chic (elegant)
Cliché – from the French word cliché
Connoisseur – from the French word connoisseur
Cul-de-sac – from the French word cul-de-sac (bottom of the bag/sack)
Debris – from the French word débris (broken, crumbled)
Déjà vu – from the French words déjà (already) and vu (seen – past participle of ‘voir’)
Delegate – from the Old French word delegat
Detour – from the French word détour (from détourner)
Dossier – from the French word dossier
Eau de toilette – from the French word eau de toilette
Elite – from the Old French word elit (chosen)
Energy – from the Middle French word énergie
En route – from the French en route
Envisage – from the French word envisager
Expatriate – from the French word expatrier
Facade – from the French word façade
Faux, as in faux fur – from the French word faux (false)
Faux-pas – from the French word faux pas
Fiancé – from the French word fiancé
Film noir – from the French word film noir (a film genre)
Gallery – from the Old French word galerie
Gastronomy – from the French word gastronomie
Gateau – from the French word gâteau
Gazette – from the French word gazette
Heritage – from the Old French word eritage (héritage in modern French)
Homage – from the Old French word homage
Hotel – from the French word hôtel
Identity – from the Middle French word identité
Illusion – from the Old French word illusion
Insult – from the Middle French words insult (noun) and insulter (verb)
Irony – from the Middle French word ironie
Jubilee – from the Middle French word jubile (modern French jubilé)
Kilogram – from the French word kilogramme
Lacrosse – from the Canadian French word la crosse (the stick)
Laissez-faire – from the French word laissez-faire (leave things to take their course)
Liaison – from the French word liaison
Literature – from the Old French word littérature
Machine – from the Middle French word machine
Magnificent – from the Middle French word magnificent
Maisonette – from the French word maisonette
Massage – from the French word massage
Menu – from the French word menu
Metabolism – from the French word métabolisme
Metro – from the French word métro
Musketeer – from the French word mousquetaire
Navy – from the Old French word navie
Neutral – from the Middle French word neutral
Nocturnal – from the Middle French word nocturnal
Novel – from the Old French word novel
Occasion – from the Middle French word occasion
Omelette – from the French word omelette
Optimism – from the French word optimisme
Papier-mâché – from the French word papier-mâché
Parasol – from the French word parasol
Poetic – from the Middle French word poétique
Premiere – from the French word première
Purify – from the Old French word purifier
Recipient – from the Middle French word récipient
Rendez-vous – from the French word rendez-vous (appointment)
Reservoir – from the French word ‘réservoir’ (collection place)
Restaurant – from the French word restaurant
Ricochet – from the French word ricochet
Rich – from the French word riche
Ridicule – from the French word ridicule
Risqué – from the French word risqué
Sabotage – from the French word sabotage
Salad – from the French word salade
Sentiment – from the Old French word sentement
Silhouette – from the French word silhouette
Solicitor – from the Middle French word soliciteur
Souvenir – from the French word souvenir (memory)
Soufflé – from the French word soufflé
Soup – from the French word soupe
Technique – from the French word technique
Television – from the French word télévision
Tournament – from the Old French word tornoiement (tournoiement in modern French)
Uniform – from the Middle French word uniforme
Utensil – from the Old French word utensile
Valid – from the Middle French word valide
Variety – from the Middle French word varieté
Vinaigrette – from the French word vinaigrette
Zest – from the French word zeste
damn those flashy french peacocks lol this list misses out key words like sabre foil and another sword word that has escaped me but on guard!
Did the Norman conquest contribute to some of these"
think it was mainly people off the ferry lol sorry, im sure it happens over centuries people moving back and forth, think our week days are due to vikings, someone out there is a lot smarter than me, and i think quite a bit is supposition anyway with academics arguing who has the right version. But all those pirates sailing out of cornwall and their frenchie counter parts? who knows?! |
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"Allowance – from the Old French word alouance (payment)
Apostrophe – from the French word apostrophe
Attaché – from the French word attaché (attached)
Apéritif – from the French word apéritif
Avant-garde – from the French word avant-garde
Aviation – from the French word aviation
Bachelor – from the Anglo-Norman word bacheler (bachelier in modern French)
Baguette – from the French word baguette (stick)
Ballet – from the French word ballet
Beret – from the French word béret
Bon voyage – from the French phrase bon voyage (have a good journey)
Brunette – from the French word brunette
Bureau – from the French word bureau (desk, office)
Cabaret – from the French word cabaret
Cadet – from the French word _adet
Champagne – from the French word champagne
Chauffeur – from the French word chauffeur
Chic – from the French word chic (elegant)
Cliché – from the French word cliché
Connoisseur – from the French word connoisseur
Cul-de-sac – from the French word cul-de-sac (bottom of the bag/sack)
Debris – from the French word débris (broken, crumbled)
Déjà vu – from the French words déjà (already) and vu (seen – past participle of ‘voir’)
Delegate – from the Old French word delegat
Detour – from the French word détour (from détourner)
Dossier – from the French word dossier
Eau de toilette – from the French word eau de toilette
Elite – from the Old French word elit (chosen)
Energy – from the Middle French word énergie
En route – from the French en route
Envisage – from the French word envisager
Expatriate – from the French word expatrier
Facade – from the French word façade
Faux, as in faux fur – from the French word faux (false)
Faux-pas – from the French word faux pas
Fiancé – from the French word fiancé
Film noir – from the French word film noir (a film genre)
Gallery – from the Old French word galerie
Gastronomy – from the French word gastronomie
Gateau – from the French word gâteau
Gazette – from the French word gazette
Heritage – from the Old French word eritage (héritage in modern French)
Homage – from the Old French word homage
Hotel – from the French word hôtel
Identity – from the Middle French word identité
Illusion – from the Old French word illusion
Insult – from the Middle French words insult (noun) and insulter (verb)
Irony – from the Middle French word ironie
Jubilee – from the Middle French word jubile (modern French jubilé)
Kilogram – from the French word kilogramme
Lacrosse – from the Canadian French word la crosse (the stick)
Laissez-faire – from the French word laissez-faire (leave things to take their course)
Liaison – from the French word liaison
Literature – from the Old French word littérature
Machine – from the Middle French word machine
Magnificent – from the Middle French word magnificent
Maisonette – from the French word maisonette
Massage – from the French word massage
Menu – from the French word menu
Metabolism – from the French word métabolisme
Metro – from the French word métro
Musketeer – from the French word mousquetaire
Navy – from the Old French word navie
Neutral – from the Middle French word neutral
Nocturnal – from the Middle French word nocturnal
Novel – from the Old French word novel
Occasion – from the Middle French word occasion
Omelette – from the French word omelette
Optimism – from the French word optimisme
Papier-mâché – from the French word papier-mâché
Parasol – from the French word parasol
Poetic – from the Middle French word poétique
Premiere – from the French word première
Purify – from the Old French word purifier
Recipient – from the Middle French word récipient
Rendez-vous – from the French word rendez-vous (appointment)
Reservoir – from the French word ‘réservoir’ (collection place)
Restaurant – from the French word restaurant
Ricochet – from the French word ricochet
Rich – from the French word riche
Ridicule – from the French word ridicule
Risqué – from the French word risqué
Sabotage – from the French word sabotage
Salad – from the French word salade
Sentiment – from the Old French word sentement
Silhouette – from the French word silhouette
Solicitor – from the Middle French word soliciteur
Souvenir – from the French word souvenir (memory)
Soufflé – from the French word soufflé
Soup – from the French word soupe
Technique – from the French word technique
Television – from the French word télévision
Tournament – from the Old French word tornoiement (tournoiement in modern French)
Uniform – from the Middle French word uniforme
Utensil – from the Old French word utensile
Valid – from the Middle French word valide
Variety – from the Middle French word varieté
Vinaigrette – from the French word vinaigrette
Zest – from the French word zeste
damn those flashy french peacocks lol this list misses out key words like sabre foil and another sword word that has escaped me but on guard!
Did the Norman conquest contribute to some of these
think it was mainly people off the ferry lol sorry, im sure it happens over centuries people moving back and forth, think our week days are due to vikings, someone out there is a lot smarter than me, and i think quite a bit is supposition anyway with academics arguing who has the right version. But all those pirates sailing out of cornwall and their frenchie counter parts? who knows?! "
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh. "
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar. |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar."
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...  "
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people. |
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people. "
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way "
yes bollox is always a valid argument lol
and you are changing tact, you didnt want english people running everything, i might not want a welsh mp, but if they get voted in ive got them, thats how democracy works, and the race card works for all races! Thank you thank you, ill take the bow, and id like to thank the queen, my old school teacher mrs butterkiss and brown owl |
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way
yes bollox is always a valid argument lol
and you are changing tact, you didnt want english people running everything, i might not want a welsh mp, but if they get voted in ive got them, thats how democracy works, and the race card works for all races! Thank you thank you, ill take the bow, and id like to thank the queen, my old school teacher mrs butterkiss and brown owl "
Let me spell it out with small words. English MPs are setting the agenda for the UK, but are ignoring the needs of the other countries in the UK. Would you like me to call them England MPs? An MP in England is by definition English - he, she or they could have been a different Nationality, but they are still English MPs! You should have listened in the English lessons... |
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way
yes bollox is always a valid argument lol
and you are changing tact, you didnt want english people running everything, i might not want a welsh mp, but if they get voted in ive got them, thats how democracy works, and the race card works for all races! Thank you thank you, ill take the bow, and id like to thank the queen, my old school teacher mrs butterkiss and brown owl
Let me spell it out with small words. English MPs are setting the agenda for the UK, but are ignoring the needs of the other countries in the UK. Would you like me to call them England MPs? An MP in England is by definition English - he, she or they could have been a different Nationality, but they are still English MPs! You should have listened in the English lessons... "
read the thread, i asked you why are the english running everything? that westminster had various nationalities..you said have a look at where torys come from.... NOW your saying different, but now your saying you meant the mps at west minister who make the rules for the whole of UK are english mps because there in the english parliment lol Let me use small words, yes the UNION has a CENTRAL government that is VOTED for by everyone in the UNION! England is the only part of the union that doesnt have its own Parliament just for the english. And youre still bitching! lol |
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Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way
yes bollox is always a valid argument lol
and you are changing tact, you didnt want english people running everything, i might not want a welsh mp, but if they get voted in ive got them, thats how democracy works, and the race card works for all races! Thank you thank you, ill take the bow, and id like to thank the queen, my old school teacher mrs butterkiss and brown owl
Let me spell it out with small words. English MPs are setting the agenda for the UK, but are ignoring the needs of the other countries in the UK. Would you like me to call them England MPs? An MP in England is by definition English - he, she or they could have been a different Nationality, but they are still English MPs! You should have listened in the English lessons...
read the thread, i asked you why are the english running everything? that westminster had various nationalities..you said have a look at where torys come from.... NOW your saying different, but now your saying you meant the mps at west minister who make the rules for the whole of UK are english mps because there in the english parliment lol Let me use small words, yes the UNION has a CENTRAL government that is VOTED for by everyone in the UNION! England is the only part of the union that doesnt have its own Parliament just for the english. And youre still bitching! lol "
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people. "
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people. "
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way
yes bollox is always a valid argument lol
and you are changing tact, you didnt want english people running everything, i might not want a welsh mp, but if they get voted in ive got them, thats how democracy works, and the race card works for all races! Thank you thank you, ill take the bow, and id like to thank the queen, my old school teacher mrs butterkiss and brown owl
Let me spell it out with small words. English MPs are setting the agenda for the UK, but are ignoring the needs of the other countries in the UK. Would you like me to call them England MPs? An MP in England is by definition English - he, she or they could have been a different Nationality, but they are still English MPs! You should have listened in the English lessons...
read the thread, i asked you why are the english running everything? that westminster had various nationalities..you said have a look at where torys come from.... NOW your saying different, but now your saying you meant the mps at west minister who make the rules for the whole of UK are english mps because there in the english parliment lol Let me use small words, yes the UNION has a CENTRAL government that is VOTED for by everyone in the UNION! England is the only part of the union that doesnt have its own Parliament just for the english. And youre still bitching! lol
Sadly your teacher didn’t make a difference... "
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Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Just out of interest, what race are the English people ? "
similar to scottish and welsh people but english, you do live in the uk lol |
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Quick answer bollox. Britain is a 4 Country Nation governed from Westminster. The Tory’s have 14/40 in Wales, 6/59 in Scotland, 0/18 in Northern Ireland and 345/533 in England. Explain how any of the issues in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland gain any visibility? The Tory’s govern for themselves first, for their backers 2nd, for England 3rd and the rest get the scraps.
Please look up what racism actually means by the way "
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"Mps in west minister can be any nationality, so how are the english running everything?
Have a look at where the Tory Party comes from...
they were voted in, sorry democracy is only ok if you get what you want? like no english mps? coz that would be fair lol your statement is plain racist against english people.
Just out of interest, what race are the English people ?
similar to scottish and welsh people but english, you do live in the uk lol "
You have a very mixed up understanding of what race is. So.....English born Japanese (for example) are the same race as everybody else in England? Do you even know what ‘race’ means? That’s rhetorical by the way. |
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Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
i.e tories are all english and therefore wankers lol(ok ive summarized posts!) which may or may not be true but it still fits the above dictionary definition.
Its also got boring. |
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check the dictionary, recognized grouping...
but if english isnt a race of people, ask the other posters why they are complaining about being ruled by them? makes their post even more bizarre lol
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"check the dictionary, recognized grouping...
but if english isnt a race of people, ask the other posters why they are complaining about being ruled by them? makes their post even more bizarre lol
personally i want priti patel to be incharge of me, her and nicola! lol "
As you would knowif you were educated, my use of the term English referenced the geography. I could not use England, as it refered to individuals and not a landmass. Itis perfectly reasonable to question why Britain should be governed by the English - when the Tory majority reside in England.
I blame the education system
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar."
heres your first post, check back up the thread.... discussions with english people, not discussions with people living in england, its you who needs to educate yourself! if you meant the opposite which is now what you claim lol enough said |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar.
heres your first post, check back up the thread.... discussions with english people, not discussions with people living in england, its you who needs to educate yourself! if you meant the opposite which is now what you claim lol enough said "
This was my first post in this thread:
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar.
I did not mention “the New Empire”.
As you can see I reference being governed by the English. The Government is Tory, it is predominantly made up of MPs elected in English Constituency’s - it does not represent Wales, Scotland, NI & large parts of England.
Westminster has become the de facto English Parliament. It is the same as Labour running the Senedd and the SNP running the Scottish Parliament. |
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"I suspect, and this is only based on a feeling but one reinforced by many discussions on the topic with English people, that England rather enjoys being the biggest country in the union. To separate would make it an entity on its own and that’s against its psyche.
Also, its parts seem disparate, unlike the other three and rail against the central hub. It’s safe to say that England is a fractured country.
I think it's very fractured.
But brexiteers think we are still in the days of the empire.
We are forging a New Empire. It would be in Scotland’s best interests to be part of that Empire but if they want to go it alone we shall watch and laugh.
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar.
heres your first post, check back up the thread.... discussions with english people, not discussions with people living in england, its you who needs to educate yourself! if you meant the opposite which is now what you claim lol enough said
This was my first post in this thread:
...much like the EU has been doing so far really! I don’t like being governed by the English. It is a major step down from the EU. If the alternative is a break up, then so be it. I wouldn’t be surprisedif parts of England don’t do something similar.
I did not mention “the New Empire”.
As you can see I reference being governed by the English. The Government is Tory, it is predominantly made up of MPs elected in English Constituency’s - it does not represent Wales, Scotland, NI & large parts of England.
Westminster has become the de facto English Parliament. It is the same as Labour running the Senedd and the SNP
running the Scottish Parliament. "
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
i dont like being governed by englands elected mps is a different statement!
im not sure what nationality all the tory mps are but there are plenty of scots and welsh living here who do run/have run for the posts, are you saying wales can only be governed by welsh people? |
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you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why |
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why "
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race |
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Ok, let’s make it very simple. You cannot play the racist card to people of the same race. The English you are referring to are white Caucasians. However in reality the population of the UK is an ethnically diverse bunch so it makes it even more stupid to suggest that a country is all Caucasian which it would need to be if you were suggesting that the other poster had been racist. |
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race "
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English? |
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?"
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you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?"
& England is not a clearly defined area, it has changed many times. Indeed the population has changed many times. Which is the funniest bit about nationalism - none of them ever read history books |
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"Genuine question, why don’t England go it alone ?
Is there a will and desire from our southern friends to MEGA and delivering independence standing on her own feet with self sufficient resources.
Could England survive without being drip fed from Scotland and her wealth of natural resources.
The union is relatively new, some 314 years just.
If Scotland is such a burden what’s the case of remaining in the union. ? "
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?
& England is not a clearly defined area, it has changed many times. Indeed the population has changed many times. Which is the funniest bit about nationalism - none of them ever read history books "
England is a clearly defined area and has been since the 10th century. The boundaries of the shires that were established in the 10th century lasted a thousand years until The Local Government Act 1972. |
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?
& England is not a clearly defined area, it has changed many times. Indeed the population has changed many times. Which is the funniest bit about nationalism - none of them ever read history books "
Really?
It's currently well definitely and yes its borders (which demonstrates it's well defined) have changed (which again shows it was defined in the past). Population can change like borders but still maintain its nationalism. If I go to another country and reside there, do I change it's nationalism because I've moved there as a different citizen? No I don't change its nationalism. I may have an impact on its culture depending upon my extent of integration though. |
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?
& England is not a clearly defined area, it has changed many times. Indeed the population has changed many times. Which is the funniest bit about nationalism - none of them ever read history books
England is a clearly defined area and has been since the 10th century. The boundaries of the shires that were established in the 10th century lasted a thousand years until The Local Government Act 1972."
Just to add a bit of accuracy, 500 years not 1,000.
Scotland
The Border was not set in stone – literally, with border stones – until the Treaty of York in 1237 which ensured that Northumberland and Cumberland were part of King Henry II’s England, while Alexander II, King of Scots, was content to hold on to Berwick-upon-T and what became the "Debateable Lands" north of Carlisle.
Berwick went to England in 1482 by right of conquest, but the Debateable Lands were only divided along Scots Dike in 1552, from when the Border has not changed.
Wales
The modern boundary was fixed in 1536, when the former marcher lordships which occupied the border area were abolished and new county boundaries were created.
The administrative boundary of Wales was confirmed in the Local Government Act 1972. Whether Monmouthshire was part of Wales, or an English county treated for most purposes as though it were Welsh, was also settled by the 1972 Act, which included it in Wales.
So England as it currently stands was was no earlier than 1552 and possibly 1972 with Monmouthshire!
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"and one more time class
you dont like being governed by the english? that is a race of people
you dont like being governed by englands elected mps, this is a different statement!
can anyone see why
Why are you thinking the English are a race? “They” are a geographical location that has changed very often over the past 2,000 years. They are not a race
Don't you mean England is a geographical location instead of English?
& England is not a clearly defined area, it has changed many times. Indeed the population has changed many times. Which is the funniest bit about nationalism - none of them ever read history books
England is a clearly defined area and has been since the 10th century. The boundaries of the shires that were established in the 10th century lasted a thousand years until The Local Government Act 1972.
Just to add a bit of accuracy, 500 years not 1,000.
Scotland
The Border was not set in stone – literally, with border stones – until the Treaty of York in 1237 which ensured that Northumberland and Cumberland were part of King Henry II’s England, while Alexander II, King of Scots, was content to hold on to Berwick-upon-T and what became the "Debateable Lands" north of Carlisle.
Berwick went to England in 1482 by right of conquest, but the Debateable Lands were only divided along Scots Dike in 1552, from when the Border has not changed.
Wales
The modern boundary was fixed in 1536, when the former marcher lordships which occupied the border area were abolished and new county boundaries were created.
The administrative boundary of Wales was confirmed in the Local Government Act 1972. Whether Monmouthshire was part of Wales, or an English county treated for most purposes as though it were Welsh, was also settled by the 1972 Act, which included it in Wales.
So England as it currently stands was was no earlier than 1552 and possibly 1972 with Monmouthshire!
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Those changes were minimal. England as it stands now is pretty much the same as when it was unified in 10th century. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Doesn’t really matter if they were minimal- that’s arrogance. It is a fact that the borders of England were settled 49 years ago. It is what it is."
There’s no arrogance whatsoever. 99 point whatever % of what now constitutes England was established in the 10th century.
Changes to borders happen continuously. |
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Not in a First world country they usually don’t unless by war. Which borders do Poland, Germany, Russia et al use? Not that England is a country in this context.
It is as it is- the borders that were laid down in 1972 are the borders that are England now. In 1971, the border was different. It’s a fact and since there are only two borders and both have been altered, the date you quote is nearly a thousand years out of date. |
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By *ax777Man
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"Not in a First world country they usually don’t unless by war. Which borders do Poland, Germany, Russia et al use? Not that England is a country in this context.
It is as it is- the borders that were laid down in 1972 are the borders that are England now. In 1971, the border was different. It’s a fact and since there are only two borders and both have been altered, the date you quote is nearly a thousand years out of date."
Ok, for the pedants, England as we know it was established in the late 10 century. There have been some minor changes to the Scottish and Welsh borders since that time.
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By *ax777Man
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"I’d rather deal with facts, which are never pedantic lol. I’d advise you just suck it up and learn the history of your own country "
I know the history of my own country and have clearly stated the facts. If you wish to be a pedant and nit pick, fill your boots! |
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By *ax777Man
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"Lol you are just wrong on all counts there, mate. History, facts and maths- quite a selection lol.
Bless "
Ok, so tell me what is wrong, historically, factually and mathematically with the following statement?
England as we know it was established in the late 10 century. There have been some minor changes to the Scottish and Welsh borders since that time. |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people. "
you're talking to a lump of land? on a website? |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people. "
Hmmmm ... isn’t there something about Aberdeen City Council asking to bypass having to deal with Scottish SNP government and deal direct with Westminster for funding of covid support ?
Why is Scottish Government sitting on 500,000 vaccines? Shouldn’t they be getting in to the arms of Scots folk instead of sitting in a warehouse.... don’t worry, I think the cavalry is on its way |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people.
you're talking to a lump of land? on a website? "
The westminster system smart ass |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people.
you're talking to a lump of land? on a website?
The westminster system smart ass "
too late now, ive just heard england the land mass has ripped itself away and now nicola has total Independence as she drifts towards iceland, who are preparing gun boats for her arrival lol |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people.
you're talking to a lump of land? on a website?
The westminster system smart ass
too late now, ive just heard england the land mass has ripped itself away and now nicola has total Independence as she drifts towards iceland, who are preparing gun boats for her arrival lol "
that’s great news about time lol |
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people.
you're talking to a lump of land? on a website?
The westminster system smart ass
too late now, ive just heard england the land mass has ripped itself away and now nicola has total Independence as she drifts towards iceland, who are preparing gun boats for her arrival lol "
Im off to put a bit of Rod Stewart on....we are sailing |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Please England, do it, just do it. Leave us alone you are nothing but an abusive partner and i use the term partner very loosely. Disclaimer- im not directing this at english people. "
Not sure we will ever be given the chance to make that happen for you but never say never |
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