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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?"
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference"
So is it a bad idea for the climate to provide aid (food, water, and antibiotics etc) to developing countries? |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference
So is it a bad idea for the climate to provide aid (food, water, and antibiotics etc) to developing countries?"
YOU want to choose which humans can live ?
Hows Himmler |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference
So is it a bad idea for the climate to provide aid (food, water, and antibiotics etc) to developing countries?
YOU want to choose which humans can live ?
Hows Himmler "
Sorry I meant you're talking Goebbels |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference
So is it a bad idea for the climate to provide aid (food, water, and antibiotics etc) to developing countries?
YOU want to choose which humans can live ?
Hows Himmler "
Don't get me wrong, i agree with your point. But this is the push from the left, (extinction rebellion etc) this is not MY position. |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference
So is it a bad idea for the climate to provide aid (food, water, and antibiotics etc) to developing countries?
YOU want to choose which humans can live ?
Hows Himmler
Don't get me wrong, i agree with your point. But this is the push from the left, (extinction rebellion etc) this is not MY position. "
The fact is we will need population control and humanity will be unable to devise a fair solution
War and financial selection will be most likely.
I have no solution |
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Op, why should people who can't have children through normal avenues be denied the right to try and have them when everyone else can have as many as they like?
A few numbers for you from a quick Google search, 8 million IVF babies born since 1978.
Roughly 130 million babies are born every year in total, roughly 5.5 billion since 1978 assuming same birth rate.
So roughly .15% were IVF, I don't think IVF is the issue Op
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"Op, why should people who can't have children through normal avenues be denied the right to try and have them when everyone else can have as many as they like?
A few numbers for you from a quick Google search, 8 million IVF babies born since 1978.
Roughly 130 million babies are born every year in total, roughly 5.5 billion since 1978 assuming same birth rate.
So roughly .15% were IVF, I don't think IVF is the issue Op
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Surely it must start somewhere? Would be the counter argument. |
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As a mum of 3 IVF children (I have twins) my view is no. IVF isn’t the problem for overpopulation and those who can’t have children naturally should not be punished when others can have as many children as they want. There is a cap on 1 child for funded IVF treatment where it’s available and I know this has stopped a lot of people being able to have further children. |
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"A better idea would be to stop smack heads having kids before taking a stable couples chance of a family away"
Exactly this!!!!!! So many careless people bringing children into the world who shouldn’t be able too |
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"Why stop IVF?
Well if the world population needs to stop growing, why help people to make the problem worse ?
Considering the highest birth rates are in africa and the mid east i dont think stopping ivf is going to make a difference"
Yep a lot of third world countries have higher birth rates and they don’t have access to IVF. We need to give them something else to do apart from having sex to fill the boredom! |
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"The worlf is indeed over populated, but that is by no means the cause of global warming..
But no, i wouldn't stop the IVF.. "
You don't think over population is the foundation of "man made global warming" then? |
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"So pressure is growing to recognise that overpopulation is the route cause of global warming. So is it time to stop IVF? Just for a start. "
You're looking at it all wrong. It's not too many births its that people are living too long.
Maybe we should bring in a Logans Run style of age cut off |
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With a world population of @7.3 billion, we could all stand in an area roughly 100miles square, without touching each other.
Roughly 70% of the Earth's land surface is habitable. There is enough room.
What we don't have is even distribution of wealth and resources because, well, people. |
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Emancipation of women in countries where they are not allowed to take charge of their own reproductive cycles or to use contraception, might be a good start. It might even reduce the spread of AIDS and would almost certainly reduce poverty and starvation.
The Catholic church has a lot of influence in many poor countries yet is extremely resistant to these sort of remedies. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
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"Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
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"Top Trump religious breeders". Now that's a card game! |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
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"Top Trump religious breeders". Now that's a card game!"
Maybe we should write to Boris and suggest he amends Child Tax Credits to Child Tax Debits - instead of getting money you have to pay more for every crotch fruit you spawn?
I reckon he'd be right up for that.
Think of the contribution it could make to the NHS!! 
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"Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
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"Top Trump religious breeders". Now that's a card game!
Maybe we should write to Boris and suggest he amends Child Tax Credits to Child Tax Debits - instead of getting money you have to pay more for every crotch fruit you spawn?
I reckon he'd be right up for that.
Think of the contribution it could make to the NHS!!
A"
Might hit him hard, he'd never go for it!  |
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Overpopulation in my opinion is a myth.
Sure the population is a factor but only due to the demand of things.
Such as cattle farming - huge polluters but yet the population are making a demand for meat so, if we manage to cut down on meat as a whole that's something.
Plastic use - massive consequences on the ecosystem of the oceans, and the oceans are the top oxygen givers as well as climate controllers, if the population cuts down on plastic use, again that's something.
I know this is somewhat of a long winded comment haha but overpopulation isnt a problem if everyone can do even something little to help towards the effects we have on the climate by recycling, planting something if we can, reducing meat consumption, carpooling etc  |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
A
"Top Trump religious breeders". Now that's a card game!
Maybe we should write to Boris and suggest he amends Child Tax Credits to Child Tax Debits - instead of getting money you have to pay more for every crotch fruit you spawn?
I reckon he'd be right up for that.
Think of the contribution it could make to the NHS!!
A
Might hit him hard, he'd never go for it! "
Nah. None of them are officially his so he'd be off the hook.
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"Personally I think it would help if the Pope raided the Vaticans vaults and bought every Catholic in the world a packet or ten of rubbers.
That and changed their stance on contraception.
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"Top Trump religious breeders". Now that's a card game!
Maybe we should write to Boris and suggest he amends Child Tax Credits to Child Tax Debits - instead of getting money you have to pay more for every crotch fruit you spawn?
I reckon he'd be right up for that.
Think of the contribution it could make to the NHS!!
A
Might hit him hard, he'd never go for it!
Nah. None of them are officially his so he'd be off the hook.
A"
Always a loop hole!!  |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Gaw. Some proper murky opinions in here."
We haven't started on compulsory euthanasia at 67 yet.
Would cut overpopulation, save the NHS a fortune and solve the pensions crisis in one fell swoop!
Have some imagination for fucks sake. 
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"Another horrible distasteful thread  "
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion. |
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"Gaw. Some proper murky opinions in here.
We haven't started on compulsory euthanasia at 67 yet.
Would cut overpopulation, save the NHS a fortune and solve the pensions crisis in one fell swoop!
Have some imagination for fucks sake.
A"
Arguably would have stopped Brexit as well. |
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"So pressure is growing to recognise that overpopulation is the route cause of global warming. So is it time to stop IVF? Just for a start. "
Not for those that can't have children no. The ones who just can't conceive, the ones that have medical conditions, the women who have suffered ectopics and have no tubes left as a result and have no living children. Plus many more scenarios.
Maybe after people have had a number of children it could be a no, but stopping it on a whole I really don't agree with. |
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Stop ivf really, are you forgetting the ppl that can't have kids naturally, a close friend of mine had a ectopic pregnancy meaning she can't conceive naturally, with I've she now has two healthy kids |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Gaw. Some proper murky opinions in here.
We haven't started on compulsory euthanasia at 67 yet.
Would cut overpopulation, save the NHS a fortune and solve the pensions crisis in one fell swoop!
Have some imagination for fucks sake.
A
Arguably would have stopped Brexit as well."
Oh for fucks sake. How did I forget that!!! 
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion. "
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion. "
Maybe i should just ask for tits in my inbox? More fab's level? |
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In western countries where people have access to IVF our populations are reducing because we are giving birth to less babies than the number of people who died.
It's China, Indian and particularly Africa where the population continues to increase.
A contributing factor to global warming is over consumption so you could say more people = more consumption. However, a child born in a very poor area of Africa is going to consume much less in their life than a child born in the U.K.
Proactively trying to reduce your carbon footprint and recycling etc which everyone could do, would have a bigger collective impact on the problem than stopping IVF.
I also think the government could do more. For example why are we still manufacturing diesel cars? Electric and hybrid cars are still mostly beyond the price range of low and middle income people. Why are manufacturers allowed to make products which are going to break down and need replacing after 5 years? Because we place productivity above everything else. Look at the teflon scandal they have just made a film about. Big business knowingly poisoning the environment and deliberately covering it up. Its not the first time its been discovered. Who knows how many more similar scandles are just waiting to be discovered. Think of all the poison us western countries have probably exported and buried in low income countries. Because profit is king. |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
Maybe i should just ask for tits in my inbox? More fab's level?"
A perfect match. I applaud you |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated "
If you find you're affected at all by the subjects discussed in this or any other thread, feel free to ignore it and start your own, nice, safe, and dull thread. |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
Maybe i should just ask for tits in my inbox? More fab's level?"
But so fucking dull... tits are on display everywhere. There'll be a thread moaning about pics being too explicit in a while... |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated
If you find you're affected at all by the subjects discussed in this or any other thread, feel free to ignore it and start your own, nice, safe, and dull thread. "
Tell your other half the same |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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How about if it was compulsory for everyone to be gay for the next five years?
Would definitely cut the birth rate.
Give the world time for a fair few people to shuffle off before we start bumping up the population again......
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated
If you find you're affected at all by the subjects discussed in this or any other thread, feel free to ignore it and start your own, nice, safe, and dull thread.
Tell your other half the same "
You clearly have an issue. Whinge elsewhere buddy. |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated
If you find you're affected at all by the subjects discussed in this or any other thread, feel free to ignore it and start your own, nice, safe, and dull thread.
Tell your other half the same
You clearly have an issue. Whinge elsewhere buddy. "
Honestly, thanks for the interest but like I said ‘it’s a no from me!’ |
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"Another horrible distasteful thread
A thread to spark debate and get people thinking? I think it's better than telling everyone to be nice. Just my opinion.
And in my opinion it’s a horrible and distasteful thread that has only been posted to promote confrontation.
Thanks for supporting my input in the forums BTW it’s been noted and is very much appreciated
If you find you're affected at all by the subjects discussed in this or any other thread, feel free to ignore it and start your own, nice, safe, and dull thread.
Tell your other half the same
You clearly have an issue. Whinge elsewhere buddy.
Honestly, thanks for the interest but like I said ‘it’s a no from me!’ "
Ok carry on with your snide and not so snide digs. If it makes you feel big. |
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Until we begin to look upon ourselves as a world population rather than just individuals with our own little rights and wants then we will never beable to stop anything. Nothing wrong with human rights and free choice obvs, its what males us 'human' but it needs to be considered on a scale of human as a whole race. Much like if you wanted to stop cows breeding you would just stop all of them and wouldnt worry too much that Betty cow really wanted a calf etc etc. Bluntly put but thats how it would need to be. |
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"Until we begin to look upon ourselves as a world population rather than just individuals with our own little rights and wants then we will never beable to stop anything. Nothing wrong with human rights and free choice obvs, its what males us 'human' but it needs to be considered on a scale of human as a whole race. Much like if you wanted to stop cows breeding you would just stop all of them and wouldnt worry too much that Betty cow really wanted a calf etc etc. Bluntly put but thats how it would need to be. "
^she gets it.^ |
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Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world. |
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"So pressure is growing to recognise that overpopulation is the route cause of global warming. So is it time to stop IVF? Just for a start. "
Ah they already have the answer its called coronavirus 1 of the many few pandemics to hit this earth and thin the population out |
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"Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world. "
As far as i can make out it seems to be brought up when people who think that they're left wing liberals show us wants behind the big red curtain. And it ain't pretty. |
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"Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world.
As far as i can make out it seems to be brought up when people who think that they're left wing liberals show us wants behind the big red curtain. And it ain't pretty. "
The problem is certain countries are seen as 'land of promise' people are greedy want and take but dont want to put anything back in to economies. Bring back borders get tough i say, great britain was built not bought, other countries should follow suit. |
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"Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world.
As far as i can make out it seems to be brought up when people who think that they're left wing liberals show us wants behind the big red curtain. And it ain't pretty.
The problem is certain countries are seen as 'land of promise' people are greedy want and take but dont want to put anything back in to economies. Bring back borders get tough i say, great britain was built not bought, other countries should follow suit."
Yeah - but 'Great Britain' was built via invasion, exploitation, pillage and plunder.
Try that shit now and see how it turns out.
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"Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world.
As far as i can make out it seems to be brought up when people who think that they're left wing liberals show us wants behind the big red curtain. And it ain't pretty.
The problem is certain countries are seen as 'land of promise' people are greedy want and take but dont want to put anything back in to economies. Bring back borders get tough i say, great britain was built not bought, other countries should follow suit.
Yeah - but 'Great Britain' was built via invasion, exploitation, pillage and plunder.
Try that shit now and see how it turns out.
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And thats no different to what currently goes off in eastern backwards countries. |
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"Only around 10% of the earths land is lived on so were not overpopulated at all. And around 12% of britain is populated. 'Over population' is a argument that rises up every few years by idiotic idealists.
The issue is stupid breeding stupid that add nothing to the world.
As far as i can make out it seems to be brought up when people who think that they're left wing liberals show us wants behind the big red curtain. And it ain't pretty.
The problem is certain countries are seen as 'land of promise' people are greedy want and take but dont want to put anything back in to economies. Bring back borders get tough i say, great britain was built not bought, other countries should follow suit.
Yeah - but 'Great Britain' was built via invasion, exploitation, pillage and plunder.
Try that shit now and see how it turns out.
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And thats no different to what currently goes off in eastern backwards countries. "
Two questions then.
Define 'backwards'.
And is that acceptable if it's no different?
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I think the earth IS overpopulated. There would be less pressure on resources and less pollution and less global warming and climate change. It’s not about the percentage of earth that is covered by industrialisation or urbanisation but pressure and demand over a limited supply of resources. One day there will be fresh water wars.  |
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"I think the earth IS overpopulated. There would be less pressure on resources and less pollution and less global warming and climate change. It’s not about the percentage of earth that is covered by industrialisation or urbanisation but pressure and demand over a limited supply of resources. One day there will be fresh water wars. "
Kevin Costner will be ok though.
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"I think the earth IS overpopulated. There would be less pressure on resources and less pollution and less global warming and climate change. It’s not about the percentage of earth that is covered by industrialisation or urbanisation but pressure and demand over a limited supply of resources. One day there will be fresh water wars.
Kevin Costner will be ok though.
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Ineresting that a bit of racism has crept into the subject.
Also has anyone noticed it's always africa where they have 'too many kids' and should cut down despite them using less resources than us because the western world is taking everything out of their country. |
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"Ineresting that a bit of racism has crept into the subject.
Also has anyone noticed it's always africa where they have 'too many kids' and should cut down despite them using less resources than us because the western world is taking everything out of their country."
I never thought about the resource info..true though must be |
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