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By *aceytop OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?"
apparently if thats the way you have been taught,then go with it,if not just stick to the beat |
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?"
Not so much being told to abandon it...
People nowadays dont want to give strangers mouth to mouth..so they teaching you how to do it without.... |
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over a year ago
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?
Not so much being told to abandon it...
People nowadays dont want to give strangers mouth to mouth..so they teaching you how to do it without...."
A valid point... But surely if for example a motorcyclist came off... You are risking paralysing him by percussive CPR, over breathing through a hollow fist...? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?
Not so much being told to abandon it...
People nowadays dont want to give strangers mouth to mouth..so they teaching you how to do it without....
A valid point... But surely if for example a motorcyclist came off... You are risking paralysing him by percussive CPR, over breathing through a hollow fist...?"
Your not supposed to remove the helmet either |
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By *andKCouple
over a year ago
Norfolk |
"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?
Not so much being told to abandon it...
People nowadays dont want to give strangers mouth to mouth..so they teaching you how to do it without....
A valid point... But surely if for example a motorcyclist came off... You are risking paralysing him by percussive CPR, over breathing through a hollow fist...?"
It has been proven (supposedly) that it is b etter to get blood to the vital organs through CPR than giving breaths hence the new advice if the heart isn't beating oxygenated blood will not circulate |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
dirtybigbadsgirlville |
"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?
Not so much being told to abandon it...
People nowadays dont want to give strangers mouth to mouth..so they teaching you how to do it without....
A valid point... But surely if for example a motorcyclist came off... You are risking paralysing him by percussive CPR, over breathing through a hollow fist...?
Your not supposed to remove the helmet either"
bet all the guys are grabbing their nether regions after reading that!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am led to understand that the survival statistics are higher for compression only rather than the old method.
However, if its a choice between the old "ABC" and nothing; then I'd take the ABC! I believe it is medically based, not because people won't do mouth-to-mouth. |
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?indeed... "
Not quite.
What they are now saying is that, if you havent been trained in both CPR and EAR (mouth to mouth), then this new info is the best way of helping someone who might otherwise not survive.
They are saying that, unless you are very confident, many people get confused when trying to do both, which results in very poor drills leading to the casualty not surviving.
Its better to do CPR well, which does expand and contract the lungs also, allowing air in and out, than do both poorly.  |
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"The change I guess is about making it simple, i.e. to encourage more people to at least do something"
yep,
most people can understand how to do chest compressions..
some confusion from none 1st aid trained people with ratios..
add in some of the scenario's above, then kids, then drowning etc etc and that may lead to more confusion..
simplifying it ensures the brain receives oxygen..
allways thought it should be taught in secondary school, its a basic procedure which can save life.. |
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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?indeed...
Not quite.
What they are now saying is that, if you havent been trained in both CPR and EAR (mouth to mouth), then this new info is the best way of helping someone who might otherwise not survive.
They are saying that, unless you are very confident, many people get confused when trying to do both, which results in very poor drills leading to the casualty not surviving.
Its better to do CPR well, which does expand and contract the lungs also, allowing air in and out, than do both poorly. "
also people dont wanna mouth to mouth.... |
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"The question, since seeing Vinny Jones...
Are we being told to abandon the "kiss of life" technique?indeed...
Not quite.
What they are now saying is that, if you havent been trained in both CPR and EAR (mouth to mouth), then this new info is the best way of helping someone who might otherwise not survive.
They are saying that, unless you are very confident, many people get confused when trying to do both, which results in very poor drills leading to the casualty not surviving.
Its better to do CPR well, which does expand and contract the lungs also, allowing air in and out, than do both poorly. also people dont wanna mouth to mouth...."
Both comments are correct, hence the new guidelines. Also as already stated above survival rates are better, doing compressions, for all the reasons expressed previously. |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
newcastle |
"The change I guess is about making it simple, i.e. to encourage more people to at least do something"
Spot on.
Instead of heading for a gold standard, getting people to do something is essential.
The 'don't move them' meme is a good example. If you have reason to believe there's a head or neck injury then of course you don't move them, but otherwise they're safer being moved, eg into the recovery position to prevent choking (if they're still breathing and have a pulse) or onto their back if they don't have either a pulse or breathing. |
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"The change I guess is about making it simple, i.e. to encourage more people to at least do something
yep,
most people can understand how to do chest compressions..
some confusion from none 1st aid trained people with ratios..
add in some of the scenario's above, then kids, then drowning etc etc and that may lead to more confusion..
simplifying it ensures the brain receives oxygen..
allways thought it should be taught in secondary school, its a basic procedure which can save life.. "
i was really impressed by my sons middle school (years 5 to 9 for the rest of the country) teaching first aid classes as parrt of the curriculum. |
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over a year ago
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2081962/Kiss-life-Try-Vinnie-Jones-chest-pump-instead-beat-Bee-Gees-Stayin-Alive-naturally.html
the article from your favourite paper.
If you are First Aid trained, do the 2-30, if your not so good on FA, just do the Compressions.
Please read all the article for a better understanding.
(Wonder if there is a right wing bias to the article ) |
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"The change I guess is about making it simple, i.e. to encourage more people to at least do something
yep,
most people can understand how to do chest compressions..
some confusion from none 1st aid trained people with ratios..
add in some of the scenario's above, then kids, then drowning etc etc and that may lead to more confusion..
simplifying it ensures the brain receives oxygen..
allways thought it should be taught in secondary school, its a basic procedure which can save life..
i was really impressed by my sons middle school (years 5 to 9 for the rest of the country) teaching first aid classes as parrt of the curriculum."
a good sensible policy..
we dont give 'younsters' enough credit for their abilities..
both ours were active in a 'youth organistion' (oo err, that could be misconstrued lol)and learnt 1st aid..
so much so that one of them with other's rendered it at a vehicle collision, opened the guys airway and prevented him suffocating..
average age of the kids was about 14.. |
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from what I was taught you should do cpr if they person needs it, because if not they will die, paralysis is judged as ok so long as you still are alive and beathing. not for the lay person to decide I suppose if the non breathing person wants to live paralysed or not |
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"The change I guess is about making it simple, i.e. to encourage more people to at least do something
yep,
most people can understand how to do chest compressions..
some confusion from none 1st aid trained people with ratios..
add in some of the scenario's above, then kids, then drowning etc etc and that may lead to more confusion..
simplifying it ensures the brain receives oxygen..
allways thought it should be taught in secondary school, its a basic procedure which can save life..
i was really impressed by my sons middle school (years 5 to 9 for the rest of the country) teaching first aid classes as parrt of the curriculum.
a good sensible policy..
we dont give 'younsters' enough credit for their abilities..
both ours were active in a 'youth organistion' (oo err, that could be misconstrued lol)and learnt 1st aid..
so much so that one of them with other's rendered it at a vehicle collision, opened the guys airway and prevented him suffocating..
average age of the kids was about 14.."
wow, big pat on the back to them 
And yes i agree , so many people are down on teens, where the ones i meet are fab |
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