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madeline mcann....its been 10 years
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Oh God, not another McCann thread. There was one of these on the lounge recently and it devolved into absolute bullshit and half baked theories and general shite attitudes towards posters who disagreed with each other.
Nobody knows anything thats why she's never been found. Accept it, move on. Hundreds of children disappear each year across the world and are never seen again. One is not more special than another. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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K is a health prefessional and says had they been poor working class they would have been prosecuted for neglect and had the other kids taken away.
Whatever the truth losing a child is awful |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"K is a health prefessional and says had they been poor working class they would have been prosecuted for neglect and had the other kids taken away.
Whatever the truth losing a child is awful"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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".... 10 years since that little girl "disappeared"...
Your thoughts...."
10 Years and £10 million spent, there are some very bad people in this world we live in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"K is a health prefessional and says had they been poor working class they would have been prosecuted for neglect and had the other kids taken away.
Whatever the truth losing a child is awful"
This is basically what i think. So many things just dont ring true. Losing a child must be awful. Unimaginable for most of us. But would you go out for a run the day after? Jeez Id struggle to get out of bed! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??"
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact"
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The case is still open and the police believe she is alive and so do I, they got leads to follow up on it, she probably is in hiding somewhere, lets hope we will know the truth one day. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her? "
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What makes you think she was abducted?  |
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I watched a fascinating documentary on the internet with a statement analyst...
He concluded that based on the language the McCann's used that they were responsible and her body is hidden very well.
This man is hired by law enforcement in America and by the CIA, FBI etc to solve crimes and his success rates are amazing.
Also you can't deny the sniffer dogs evidence....
Gerry and Kate know more than they are letting on! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i thought her disappearance was reported rather than an alleged abduction
OK you can change the wording....."
... i already changed the words back that you had changed from the originals, but thanks for having my back  |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her? "
It is either true, as they gave statements saying they had gone out fir a drink and left their children alone, or they didn't leave them alone, in which case ......
Either way, they are in some way responsible for her disappearance.
And we can't understand why they have not been prosecuted for at least negligence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Have they not gone through enough without putting them through the stress of a trial? Would a trial bring Madeline back, I would doubt it somehow..."
You could say that for anything though couldn't you.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
It is either true, as they gave statements saying they had gone out fir a drink and left their children alone, or they didn't leave them alone, in which case ......
Either way, they are in some way responsible for her disappearance.
And we can't understand why they have not been prosecuted for at least negligence."
We've wondered that ourselves. |
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"Have they not gone through enough without putting them through the stress of a trial? Would a trial bring Madeline back, I would doubt it somehow..."
It wouldn't .... but they will always be under suspicion until there has been a trial .....because of the many discrepancies in the evidence ... and too many people have been ordered to stay silent
.... we may never know ....but somebody does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd love to be wrong , but is it possible one parent knows or has something to hide and the other is entirely innocent , hence why they keep searching ?
I really don't want to be right tho  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Her parents did it
What did they do??"
As a minimum, they left children as young as three unsupervised. As to anything else it is pointless speculation as no-one on here knows anything else. |
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"Theyve learnt a lesson though.
They aint lost the other two since"
Be interesting to see what those two turn out like. They've had their whole childhood dominated by a sibling they can't even remember, you can't tell me they've never felt like this invisible sister hasn't taken their parents attention away from them. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"Have they not gone through enough without putting them through the stress of a trial? Would a trial bring Madeline back, I would doubt it somehow...
It wouldn't .... but they will always be under suspicion until there has been a trial .....because of the many discrepancies in the evidence ... and too many people have been ordered to stay silent
.... we may never know ....but somebody does."
Well, and you have no idea how much effort they put into silencing any voice that raised valid questions ! 
Here in Portugal it had a huge impact !
Locally it almost ruined the tourist business in the area where it happened ! Folks there , both Portuguese and expats are sick of it ,and don't think too kindly of the Mcanns , but are mostly afraid to speak out , as they made a point of legally going after anybody that did!
In Portugal at large , public opinion is overwhelmingly against the Mcanns seeing them as unfit parents ! Also there was a lot more resources allocated to the case, which was found to be unfair in comparison to two other cases in the last two decades !
The political influence was also frowned upon ! 
How many similar cases anywhere do you know where The British PM discussed it with the Portuguese PM ?
They also used the power and money of the "madeleine foudation" to go after the police inspector who wrote a book on the subject , putting a gag order on it , and attempting to destroy his life with a libel suit !
This guy actually quit from the Police .(more like forced out) after blowing the whistle on the fact that due to political pressure he was not allowed to carry out a proper investigation !
A lot of the dirt was never known exposed in the UK !
And believe me there is a lot that was "censored" in the British media !  |
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"Her parents did it
What did they do??
As a minimum, they left children as young as three unsupervised. As to anything else it is pointless speculation as no-one on here knows anything else."
No but by golly isn't it nice to see other people fuck up to make us feel better about our mistakes that aren't made public. Some people may be better placed to assess the probability one version of events over others, but most people are just way too keen to get their information from tabloid press or youtube conspiracy theories and jump to a conclusion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My thoughts now are the same as they were 10 years ago, so very sad.
Still feel so sorry for everyone involved,
Especially the poor child taken from her family. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
It is either true, as they gave statements saying they had gone out fir a drink and left their children alone, or they didn't leave them alone, in which case ......
Either way, they are in some way responsible for her disappearance.
And we can't understand why they have not been prosecuted for at least negligence.
We've wondered that ourselves. "
If they had been working class or a single parent from a council or social housing estate they would have been slaughtered by the British media, probably prosecuted for child neglect and had the other children taken for them. But because they are media class whoops middle class, the paints them as the victims.
There is only one victim. The poor innocent girl, who we may never know what happened to. She is the only one that matters. |
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By *onyxptMan
over a year ago
st neots, living in Albufeira-Algarve-Portugal |
"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
It is either true, as they gave statements saying they had gone out fir a drink and left their children alone, or they didn't leave them alone, in which case ......
Either way, they are in some way responsible for her disappearance.
And we can't understand why they have not been prosecuted for at least negligence.
We've wondered that ourselves.
If they had been working class or a single parent from a council or social housing estate they would have been slaughtered by the British media, probably prosecuted for child neglect and had the other children taken for them. But because they are media class whoops middle class, the paints them as the victims.
There is only one victim. The poor innocent girl, who we may never know what happened to. She is the only one that matters."
Spot on !
That was the position of a lot of critics in Portugal as well !
In a time where social services in Portugal and UK , have way too much power , and take kids from parents all the time , for a lot less, they got off because the were "connected"
The double standard was, is , obvious !
One shocking simple question was , the fact these "poor" people couldn't afford a baby sitter , yet they paid extra to have all three children at the resorts Kids Club from 9 to 5 pm ! everyday !
OH ... and who leaves young children any age alone, in an unlocked apartment ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't help feeling that there is a lot more to this story than has come to light. The general public have never really taken to either of the parents, neither have I, even with them irresponsibly leaving the children on their own, I think it's normal to assume that human nature would prevail and the majority of the public would take their plight into our hearts - I don't think this is the case; this itself speaks volumes in my opinion that something is all wrong about this case.
My eldest was a similar age to Maddie when she went missing, and I could not fathom how anyone could leave children alone like that, I refused to even nip to the cashpoint or pay for petrol leaving them in a locked car.
My feelings when it first happened was that she'd never be found, I'm only sorry that so far I've been proved correct.
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By *ineMan
over a year ago
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There can be no greater failing than not protecting our children.
They are the best part of us.
Somewhere a little girl has lost her life or the life she should have had.
The parents...meh |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Rich planet. Net or richard d hall Madeline . . There is a lot of evidence watch it . I won't state anything more as it brings arguments from people who have only seen the main stream media story if you are to have an informed opinion on anything surely it's best to hear all sides. So take a look at richard d hall it's 14 hours in total all evidence based if you are interested in this case. . Pm me if you want links or anything |
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"I watched a fascinating documentary on the internet with a statement analyst...
He concluded that based on the language the McCann's used that they were responsible and her body is hidden very well.
This man is hired by law enforcement in America and by the CIA, FBI etc to solve crimes and his success rates are amazing.
Also you can't deny the sniffer dogs evidence....
Gerry and Kate know more than they are letting on! "
I've watched about an hour of that tonight. It is interesting and i do believe statement analysis is valid, much more so than polygraphs which are pseduo-science. However there are limits to statement analysis, which to be fair he does point out.
For example, when he talks about abuse it's firstly language that is correlated (i.e. not proof in itself), so there are three options; there is no abuse, the abuse happened to madaline or the abuse happened to kate herself. These are the inherent limits.
Statement analysis works best when you have someone who shouldn't know anything about the crime but it reveals they did (e.g. a suspected burglar who had no reason to be at the house).
The next problem is that it's also scientifically proven that trauma messes with your ability to recall a coherent story. This is a tactic used by the North Korean government to discredit defectors, they point out inconsistencies and revisions to statements. It's a logical fallacy though because it's the effect of trauma not lying that does this.
Finally you have the statistical problem of selection bias. In simple terms, people often criticise the defences offered by accused people because they don't sound like things a normal person would say. But again, that's a logical fallacy because most people never get falsely accussed of a crime and those that do are much more likely to be rather strange people. But being strange isn't the same as being guilty (Michael Jackson).
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My personal opinion is that a lot of money has been spent on a case that will probably never be solved, at the detriment of other cases. It's a political hot potato, with Prime minister's pouring money into it because they don't want to look bad. It's very likely the child is dead, at whoever's hand we may never know. We don't know if the Mc canns were involved, it's just speculation. |
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"My personal opinion is that a lot of money has been spent on a case that will probably never be solved, at the detriment of other cases. It's a political hot potato, with Prime minister's pouring money into it because they don't want to look bad. It's very likely the child is dead, at whoever's hand we may never know. We don't know if the Mc canns were involved, it's just speculation. "
Actually a lot of evidence shows she died on 29th April in the hotel room . |
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"My personal opinion is that a lot of money has been spent on a case that will probably never be solved, at the detriment of other cases. It's a political hot potato, with Prime minister's pouring money into it because they don't want to look bad. It's very likely the child is dead, at whoever's hand we may never know. We don't know if the Mc canns were involved, it's just speculation.
Actually a lot of evidence shows she died on 29th April in the hotel room . "
Which is days before being reported missing . And the whole abduction story was created |
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It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
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No one dares point the finger? Try reading thus thread |
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"K is a health prefessional and says had they been poor working class they would have been prosecuted for neglect and had the other kids taken away.
Whatever the truth losing a child is awful"
Very true, the Portuguese copper won't rest until he has them but with powerful friends they will carry on holding their middle finger up to justice. |
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"Surely no one, "middle class" or otherwise, is above the law.....??
With enough money and friends in the right places, anyone can be above the law."
Next we're going to get hit with the actually truth about the McCanns being part of the illuminati |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
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How is the Shannon Matthews case relevant? Her mother and boyfriend were proven to have plotted the kidn@pping and imprisoned the child. Theres no doubt about what happened in that case, theres no confusion and there was all the evidence necessary for a conviction. Theyre not remotely the same. |
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for any missing child case that happen now you can guarantee a spin doctor wouldn't be installed straight away like in this case with Clarence Mitchell . Also the cadaver dogs evidence is there plus amaral the lead detective knows they are guilty hence is quick removal from the Portuguese police . The cadaver dogs found past presence of a corpse in 15 places associated with the McCanns in the room their hire car and Kate's cloths |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
How is the Shannon Matthews case relevant? Her mother and boyfriend were proven to have plotted the kidn@pping and imprisoned the child. Theres no doubt about what happened in that case, theres no confusion and there was all the evidence necessary for a conviction. Theyre not remotely the same."
Of course it's relevant. From day one the Matthews and Philpott cases got people saying the families were behind it for money because we saw them as Chavvy uneducated types. With the Maccann case no one's really dared say anything as the parents are Middle Class, reasonably photogenic, well educated etc...Ive always had my suspicions and like the other poster, find it strange they got a Spin Doctor involved...evidence points to them but due to social class they're getting away with it. They are also far more intelligent than the grubby Matthews or Philpotts of this rather fetid world of ours... |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
No one dares point the finger? Try reading thus thread"
We're privately pointing the finger in the members area of the forum. Will you all say the mccaans are guilty on all social media? Bet you won't for fear of them taking legal action.
Didn't a woman commit suicide due to saying they're guilty on social media and the resulting legal action by the McCanns was too much to bear for her???
Try reading this thread? How's about reading into the context of someone's comments... |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
No one dares point the finger? Try reading thus thread
We're privately pointing the finger in the members area of the forum. Will you all say the mccaans are guilty on all social media? Bet you won't for fear of them taking legal action.
Didn't a woman commit suicide due to saying they're guilty on social media and the resulting legal action by the McCanns was too much to bear for her???
Try reading this thread? How's about reading into the context of someone's comments... "
Nice try, so explaining them being formal suspects at one point as part of your conspiracy theory? |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her? "
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her. "
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too. "
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too. "
Now that is where you wrong. If you actually look at the woman from the tapas 9 she said she saw a man carrying a child a Rasta guy to begin with that same woman the picked out Robert Murat as the guy carrying the child . They eye witness statements have all been disproved using there own statements. Nobody saw anyone carrying a child away from that apartment at any stage . Do some genuine research and it will show you evidence based research . Richard D Hall I find to be the best as he only uses evidence he doesn't use conspiracy. He has done 14 hours that completely blows the eye witness nonsense out of the water |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too. "
Yeah but the eye witness accounts and the other evidence has been tested and proved either false or not connected so that brings them back to square one. No evidence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Looks like all you armchair Miss Marples have solved it then, on to Shergar Lord Lucan and Jack the Ripper"
Couldn't comment on those case as the evidence isn't strong enough to prove a worthwhile hypothesis on those events . However in this case the evidence is very compelling |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up"
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
Now that is where you wrong. If you actually look at the woman from the tapas 9 she said she saw a man carrying a child a Rasta guy to begin with that same woman the picked out Robert Murat as the guy carrying the child . They eye witness statements have all been disproved using there own statements. Nobody saw anyone carrying a child away from that apartment at any stage . Do some genuine research and it will show you evidence based research . Richard D Hall I find to be the best as he only uses evidence he doesn't use conspiracy. He has done 14 hours that completely blows the eye witness nonsense out of the water "
Yeah I'm watching some of it now, the statement analysis part, I've made some comments above about it.
Ok so i guess he's already addressed the eye witness issue then. Does he address known paedophiles who gave statements about having knowledge? I appreciate they are not the most trust worthy people but i watched a documentary on the private investigation that was funded in portugal where they tried to infiltrate paedophile rings and they interviewed some very unsavoury characters. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder "
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
Now that is where you wrong. If you actually look at the woman from the tapas 9 she said she saw a man carrying a child a Rasta guy to begin with that same woman the picked out Robert Murat as the guy carrying the child . They eye witness statements have all been disproved using there own statements. Nobody saw anyone carrying a child away from that apartment at any stage . Do some genuine research and it will show you evidence based research . Richard D Hall I find to be the best as he only uses evidence he doesn't use conspiracy. He has done 14 hours that completely blows the eye witness nonsense out of the water
Yeah I'm watching some of it now, the statement analysis part, I've made some comments above about it.
Ok so i guess he's already addressed the eye witness issue then. Does he address known paedophiles who gave statements about having knowledge? I appreciate they are not the most trust worthy people but i watched a documentary on the private investigation that was funded in portugal where they tried to infiltrate paedophile rings and they interviewed some very unsavoury characters. "
Yes in the most recent videos that he did in past 2 weeks he does address paedophile links he states the connection of Ray Wyre and clement Freud connection to the McCanns they had a few dinners together and he does cover this topic in the most recent videos. The videos entitled Phantoms which he did covers the eye witness statements regarding alleged abduction. You can see it in you tube but if you go on rich planet . Net it's in chronological order of when he made the footage in total it's 14 hours long but it's very interesting to see what's been going on |
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They remain hoping the child has survived and has led a happy life or that if indeed she was the victim of an event that took her life she suffered as least as possible during those events |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups. "
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
No one dares point the finger? Try reading thus thread
We're privately pointing the finger in the members area of the forum. Will you all say the mccaans are guilty on all social media? Bet you won't for fear of them taking legal action.
Didn't a woman commit suicide due to saying they're guilty on social media and the resulting legal action by the McCanns was too much to bear for her???
Try reading this thread? How's about reading into the context of someone's comments...
Nice try, so explaining them being formal suspects at one point as part of your conspiracy theory? "
What about your "conspiracy theories" then? Do you have any? Why so condescending?
At the end of the day, the parents left their kid alone to go on the piss...in one way or another they caused this by acting irresponsibly...evidence points to her dying in the room...I believe one of them was responsible for her death...somehow they've got away with it...for now. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events "
I agree. They're highly intelligent the Mccanns I mean, they could easily use this technique to fabricate a story and stick to it...just a hypothesis though... |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
No one dares point the finger? Try reading thus thread
We're privately pointing the finger in the members area of the forum. Will you all say the mccaans are guilty on all social media? Bet you won't for fear of them taking legal action.
Didn't a woman commit suicide due to saying they're guilty on social media and the resulting legal action by the McCanns was too much to bear for her???
Try reading this thread? How's about reading into the context of someone's comments...
Nice try, so explaining them being formal suspects at one point as part of your conspiracy theory?
What about your "conspiracy theories" then? Do you have any? Why so condescending?
At the end of the day, the parents left their kid alone to go on the piss...in one way or another they caused this by acting irresponsibly...evidence points to her dying in the room...I believe one of them was responsible for her death...somehow they've got away with it...for now."
Because when you make a statement like "It's all about social class" then thats an incredibly loaded statement which presupposes many illegal activities which would require a mass web of people to cover up. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events "
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens. |
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens. "
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however |
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But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however "
I know this seems random, but it's relevant i assure you. Do you think Michael Jackson ever derived sexual gratification from young boys? He was a person i used as an example of 'weird', but wierd isn't necessarily guilty. Obviously I've given my opinion there, i don't think he was guilty and i think the courts got it right. What do you think? The McCanns are definitely wierd, but most people accussed of crimes are and ~70% of accussed people are guilty... |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
How is the Shannon Matthews case relevant? Her mother and boyfriend were proven to have plotted the kidn@pping and imprisoned the child. Theres no doubt about what happened in that case, theres no confusion and there was all the evidence necessary for a conviction. Theyre not remotely the same.
Of course it's relevant. From day one the Matthews and Philpott cases got people saying the families were behind it for money because we saw them as Chavvy uneducated types. With the Maccann case no one's really dared say anything as the parents are Middle Class, reasonably photogenic, well educated etc...Ive always had my suspicions and like the other poster, find it strange they got a Spin Doctor involved...evidence points to them but due to social class they're getting away with it. They are also far more intelligent than the grubby Matthews or Philpotts of this rather fetid world of ours..."
The Matthews WERE behind it. The Matthews WERE in it for the money. Their story fell apart immediately. The police briefed the media on how to help them in this case and it was decided to put pressure on the family to crack and it worked. They had the media adopt the opposite tactics in the case of Holly and Jessica and put no pressure at all on their suspect. Different cases, different tactics but both got the right result.
It was nothing to do with classism and everything to do with using the right tactics to unearth the evidence to solve the cases. You dont know enough about any of these cases to be credible. |
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The Micheal Jackson case for me I don't know enough about to really comment I looked at the subject briefly and I don't recall seeing enough evidence to suggest either way. My own personal opinion of Micheal Jackson is that he had a bad childhood didn't get the opportunity to grow up in the "normal" way as he was thrust into the limelight from a very young age and was a mega star and I think he may have tried to have his childhood later in life with neverland ranch etc and maybe he liked to see children having fun as he didn't get to socialise with children when he was a child so it may have been something that enabled him to feel like a child himself for a while but again I don't know that is just a thought I had that may be the case |
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"The Micheal Jackson case for me I don't know enough about to really comment I looked at the subject briefly and I don't recall seeing enough evidence to suggest either way. My own personal opinion of Micheal Jackson is that he had a bad childhood didn't get the opportunity to grow up in the "normal" way as he was thrust into the limelight from a very young age and was a mega star and I think he may have tried to have his childhood later in life with neverland ranch etc and maybe he liked to see children having fun as he didn't get to socialise with children when he was a child so it may have been something that enabled him to feel like a child himself for a while but again I don't know that is just a thought I had that may be the case "
You might enjoy a channel on You Tube called 'all about body language'. It's based on the same science that statement analysis is. |
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"The Micheal Jackson case for me I don't know enough about to really comment I looked at the subject briefly and I don't recall seeing enough evidence to suggest either way. My own personal opinion of Micheal Jackson is that he had a bad childhood didn't get the opportunity to grow up in the "normal" way as he was thrust into the limelight from a very young age and was a mega star and I think he may have tried to have his childhood later in life with neverland ranch etc and maybe he liked to see children having fun as he didn't get to socialise with children when he was a child so it may have been something that enabled him to feel like a child himself for a while but again I don't know that is just a thought I had that may be the case
You might enjoy a channel on You Tube called 'all about body language'. It's based on the same science that statement analysis is."
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however "
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons? |
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She's dead, sadly, in my humble opinion.
Probably one of the most famous young girls in the world - it's inconceivable (unless she's been locked in a cellar in the meantime) that nobody would have recognised her by now (particularly with her eye) if she was still alive anywhere in the world.
How and why she died I'm not going to speculate on but I can't believe she's anything other than dead and has been since day 1  |
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"She's dead, sadly, in my humble opinion.
Probably one of the most famous young girls in the world - it's inconceivable (unless she's been locked in a cellar in the meantime) that nobody would have recognised her by now (particularly with her eye) if she was still alive anywhere in the world.
How and why she died I'm not going to speculate on but I can't believe she's anything other than dead and has been since day 1 "
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons? "
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons?
Well if you have watched the information presented and that's the conclusion you have come to then I can't argue with that . I see it a little differently particularly with his most recent documentary . But I am glad you took the time to take a look . "
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons?
Well if you have watched the information presented and that's the conclusion you have come to then I can't argue with that . I see it a little differently particularly with his most recent documentary . But I am glad you took the time to take a look .
Honestly i haven't gotten that far, im up to sniffer dogs. I got that from other sources (the Guardian) "
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There has and will always be a new lead to follow up in may-august,the police love those paid holidays to Portugal In the summer,
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There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
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Wouldn't that be hearsay?"
What I've written there would be hearsay. If you could summon the third person to court then they would be a witness who could give evidence. That's my understanding but I'm not a lawyer. |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
How is the Shannon Matthews case relevant? Her mother and boyfriend were proven to have plotted the kidn@pping and imprisoned the child. Theres no doubt about what happened in that case, theres no confusion and there was all the evidence necessary for a conviction. Theyre not remotely the same.
Of course it's relevant. From day one the Matthews and Philpott cases got people saying the families were behind it for money because we saw them as Chavvy uneducated types. With the Maccann case no one's really dared say anything as the parents are Middle Class, reasonably photogenic, well educated etc...Ive always had my suspicions and like the other poster, find it strange they got a Spin Doctor involved...evidence points to them but due to social class they're getting away with it. They are also far more intelligent than the grubby Matthews or Philpotts of this rather fetid world of ours...
The Matthews WERE behind it. The Matthews WERE in it for the money. Their story fell apart immediately. The police briefed the media on how to help them in this case and it was decided to put pressure on the family to crack and it worked. They had the media adopt the opposite tactics in the case of Holly and Jessica and put no pressure at all on their suspect. Different cases, different tactics but both got the right result.
It was nothing to do with classism and everything to do with using the right tactics to unearth the evidence to solve the cases. You dont know enough about any of these cases to be credible."
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons?
Well if you have watched the information presented and that's the conclusion you have come to then I can't argue with that . I see it a little differently particularly with his most recent documentary . But I am glad you took the time to take a look .
Honestly i haven't gotten that far, im up to sniffer dogs. I got that from other sources (the Guardian)
Yeah I remember checking the guardian but I don't recall it covering all the evidence that was found by the guy using the dogs but that's from recall and I seem to remember the documentary focused on all the findings "
Ok so 59:26 of "2. Dogs don't lie" says "only a million to one chance these samples were not from Madeline" referring to DNA evidence taken from the car and room. Now what the Guardian have reported that this is actually a misinterpretation of a very complex analysis that was leaked to the press. So i understand why Hall has picked it up, it was reported but he negelects to mention other reports where the police concluded that the "results are too complex for meaningful interpretation". |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
How is the Shannon Matthews case relevant? Her mother and boyfriend were proven to have plotted the kidn@pping and imprisoned the child. Theres no doubt about what happened in that case, theres no confusion and there was all the evidence necessary for a conviction. Theyre not remotely the same.
Of course it's relevant. From day one the Matthews and Philpott cases got people saying the families were behind it for money because we saw them as Chavvy uneducated types. With the Maccann case no one's really dared say anything as the parents are Middle Class, reasonably photogenic, well educated etc...Ive always had my suspicions and like the other poster, find it strange they got a Spin Doctor involved...evidence points to them but due to social class they're getting away with it. They are also far more intelligent than the grubby Matthews or Philpotts of this rather fetid world of ours...
The Matthews WERE behind it. The Matthews WERE in it for the money. Their story fell apart immediately. The police briefed the media on how to help them in this case and it was decided to put pressure on the family to crack and it worked. They had the media adopt the opposite tactics in the case of Holly and Jessica and put no pressure at all on their suspect. Different cases, different tactics but both got the right result.
It was nothing to do with classism and everything to do with using the right tactics to unearth the evidence to solve the cases. You dont know enough about any of these cases to be credible."
Excuse me? Who are you? One of the Detectives on these cases? I know about the Philpott and Matthews cases as well as the Holly and Jessica and how the Police and Media illicited the resulting convictions...there have been many programmes over the years on them that I have watched or articles I've read. I don't need to write a long essay proving that on this forum...
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"The parents are responsible
Do you have any evidence to make that statement??
What ever theory is to be believed, they are responsible for leaving her and her siblings alone to go on the piss. That is a fact
That MAYBE true...... Still leaves the question: who abducted her?
I know a detective who works in child protection, he has studied this case from day one and he has studied the evidence. There is no evidence that she was abducted at all. No witnesses, no forensic evidence, no cctv. A cadava dog did indicate to the boot of the mccanns hire car tho which suggests a body had been in there at some point. The detective I know is convinced they she died accidentally at the hands of the parents and they disposed of her.
Forgive me but there are a lot of eye witnesses who saw a man carrying a child? Thats evidence, albeit I'm well aware of the flaws in eye witness testimony. There are also reports from paedophiles that have come forward and said their friends had knowledge of her. Again that's evidence.
The idea that she died accidentally and they buried her seems a likely sequence of events too.
But the man carrying the child looked an awful like Gerry, but it's not uncommon to see a Dad carrying a sleeping child late at night in a holiday resort, so could have been perfectly innocent.
I agree something isn't quite right, but those that think it's all a big conspiracy, they are only doctor's they certainly didn't have the money, power or influence to create such a big cover up
You are correct the McCanns didn't have enough money to create this conspiracy by any means . However they did have many links to elites that are fully documented . There is many reasons cover ups happen and they do happen look at Hillsborough look at jimmy saville look at Jill Dando murder
Whilst I'm not accusing you of this, it's a known trick that if you fling enough accusations and shit out there then some will come true. I like to call this the David Icke method. So yes coverups do happen but a) they happen rarely and b) the more people involved the quicker they get uncovered. Incompetence is far more prevalent than coverups.
Yeah cover ups may appear rare. But if a lie is told and taught as fact from the start nobody looks for a cover up as it's believed as fact from the beginning. There are many cases where a fake narrative is created to hide a true agenda for events or to protect perpetrators of certain events
But your boy Rich Hall doesn't think they are rare does he? Correct me if I'm wrong but is he not saying that 9/11, 7/7 were "staged events" and NASA have been cpvering up evidence of UFO's? He also seems friendly with David Icke who is the guy who says George Bush is a reptilain, part of a race of paedophile, satanist aliens.
No actually he isn't a big fan of Icke which is included in a few episodes. I am not subscribing to Ickes theory's of reptilian agendas I only look for documented facts that have evidence. 9/11 and 7/7 are contrived events there is tonnes of evidence to suggest that these are false flag terror attacks again there is also a lot of false stories regarding this also which is why I always look for evidence. As for aliens I actually don't think aliens exist I don't like sci-fi if I am honest I also don't believe anything NASA says as I said previously I only like true researched evidence based information. Whilst I am not saying that richard d hall is right about everything I think the McCanns stuff is the best analysis of all the evidence available. The way I see it is this the best way to look at things is to look at what main stream are saying then look at what people are saying from alternative media that are showing evidence not just theory and then when you are informed of both sides of the argument you are in a better position to decide for yourself . What I like about you is rather than be dismissive you are taking the time to see both sets of evidence then whatever you decide after doing that is fine but it shows at least you have an open mind and area free thinker which I think is great . What I don't like is people that see it on the news blindly accept it as fact and then won't even consider another possibility that's not what you have done by the way but people who do that you just can't have a discussion with as they will never open their minds . That's just my opinion however
If I'm correct, Rich Hall's documentary is all based on public information. The DNA evidence is highly flawed due to the method itself (LCN) and the interpretation of it after translation. The McCanns have successfully sued multiple newspapers for libel which is no easy feat. It seems that some of what Rich Hall is calling evidence is flawed for these reasons?
Well if you have watched the information presented and that's the conclusion you have come to then I can't argue with that . I see it a little differently particularly with his most recent documentary . But I am glad you took the time to take a look .
Honestly i haven't gotten that far, im up to sniffer dogs. I got that from other sources (the Guardian)
Yeah I remember checking the guardian but I don't recall it covering all the evidence that was found by the guy using the dogs but that's from recall and I seem to remember the documentary focused on all the findings
Ok so 59:26 of "2. Dogs don't lie" says "only a million to one chance these samples were not from Madeline" referring to DNA evidence taken from the car and room. Now what the Guardian have reported that this is actually a misinterpretation of a very complex analysis that was leaked to the press. So i understand why Hall has picked it up, it was reported but he negelects to mention other reports where the police concluded that the "results are too complex for meaningful interpretation". "
Well the problem with this is though is the police at a high level are allegedly involved in the cover up which would instruct its press to print anything to disprove things to the main population. I am not convinced that the truth is often allowed to be put into the press as most of the media is owned by a few who may have a vested interest in keeping this case and the people looking in a different direction . But like I said earlier I am sure that you will draw your own conclusions once you've seen it all. I think once you've seen it all the last documentary pulls it all together but it is best to watch chronologically |
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Well the problem with this is though is the police at a high level are allegedly involved in the cover up which would instruct its press to print anything to disprove things to the main population. I am not convinced that the truth is often allowed to be put into the press as most of the media is owned by a few who may have a vested interest in keeping this case and the people looking in a different direction . But like I said earlier I am sure that you will draw your own conclusions once you've seen it all. I think once you've seen it all the last documentary pulls it all together but it is best to watch chronologically "
Either way, objective reporting would be to mention both reports and he would be welcome to layer the possibility of police corruption. By 1:14:47 he is ridiculing Gary because he told police he "cannot explain" the dogs or the DNA evidence. I'm afraid that's what psychologists would call 'confirmation bias'. If Gary was innocent then there's no way he would be expected to know answers to these questions. The only person that could answer them truthfully would be someone involved in the death, but that presupposes guilt to make the inference. |
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Well the problem with this is though is the police at a high level are allegedly involved in the cover up which would instruct its press to print anything to disprove things to the main population. I am not convinced that the truth is often allowed to be put into the press as most of the media is owned by a few who may have a vested interest in keeping this case and the people looking in a different direction . But like I said earlier I am sure that you will draw your own conclusions once you've seen it all. I think once you've seen it all the last documentary pulls it all together but it is best to watch chronologically
Either way, objective reporting would be to mention both reports and he would be welcome to layer the possibility of police corruption. By 1:14:47 he is ridiculing Gary because he told police he "cannot explain" the dogs or the DNA evidence. I'm afraid that's what psychologists would call 'confirmation bias'. If Gary was innocent then there's no way he would be expected to know answers to these questions. The only person that could answer them truthfully would be someone involved in the death, but that presupposes guilt to make the inference. "
He does offer police corruption as an example later in the videos it's better to see it all first as he covers all this and Gerry and Kate in the tying it all together in the final 3 hours the last documentary. Also there appears to be a lot of ways they can't explain something as you will see later in the documentary |
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Honestly the more Rich Hall talks the worse it gets. His logic is flawed. For example, a judge in the US ruled that sniffer dog evidence was not admissible because the track records of the dogs were shown to be 22% - 38% accurate. Then Hall goes on to belittle the decision because the accussed later confessed to the killing and admitted the sniffer dog evidence was accurate. However this in no way undermines the judges decision not to allow the evidence. What the judge said is that there was upto a 38% probability the dogs were right. The fact that the dogs were right in this case means nothing because we expect them to be right upto 38% of the time. |
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"Honestly the more Rich Hall talks the worse it gets. His logic is flawed. For example, a judge in the US ruled that sniffer dog evidence was not admissible because the track records of the dogs were shown to be 22% - 38% accurate. Then Hall goes on to belittle the decision because the accussed later confessed to the killing and admitted the sniffer dog evidence was accurate. However this in no way undermines the judges decision not to allow the evidence. What the judge said is that there was upto a 38% probability the dogs were right. The fact that the dogs were right in this case means nothing because we expect them to be right upto 38% of the time."
Well you would have to again do an independent study on accuracy of sniffer dogs and take a mean average of a certain amount of trials before percentages of accuracy can be used . For instance there are studies that show cadaver dogs not sniffer dogs as 95% accurate |
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"Honestly the more Rich Hall talks the worse it gets. His logic is flawed. For example, a judge in the US ruled that sniffer dog evidence was not admissible because the track records of the dogs were shown to be 22% - 38% accurate. Then Hall goes on to belittle the decision because the accussed later confessed to the killing and admitted the sniffer dog evidence was accurate. However this in no way undermines the judges decision not to allow the evidence. What the judge said is that there was upto a 38% probability the dogs were right. The fact that the dogs were right in this case means nothing because we expect them to be right upto 38% of the time.
Well you would have to again do an independent study on accuracy of sniffer dogs and take a mean average of a certain amount of trials before percentages of accuracy can be used . For instance there are studies that show cadaver dogs not sniffer dogs as 95% accurate "
Sure but that isn't what he said, he actually does a lot of the techniques that the statement analysis expert critised the McCann's for. I was fairly impressed by the statement analysis but i find Rich Hall himself to be lightweight to be honest. |
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"Cadaver dogs are generally considered between 94-98% accurate "
Yes but that's a very different arguement.
You say: the McCanns attempted to discredit the dog evidence by citing a US judges decision to disallow evidence from dogs was flawed because these were different types of dogs.
That's a logical arguement.
What he actual does is invites the viewer to believe that the judge was wrong not to allow the evidence because in this instance it was proven to be accurate.
That doesn't make any sense given the 38% probability of success the judge already assigned. |
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"Cadaver dogs are generally considered between 94-98% accurate
Yes but that's a very different arguement.
You say: the McCanns attempted to discredit the dog evidence by citing a US judges decision to disallow evidence from dogs was flawed because these were different types of dogs.
That's a logical arguement.
What he actual does is invites the viewer to believe that the judge was wrong not to allow the evidence because in this instance it was proven to be accurate.
That doesn't make any sense given the 38% probability of success the judge already assigned. "
I will check that part out tomorrow and see it again . As I am sure you can appreciate I am not watching this at the same time as you and I don't remember the entire case word for word so I will need to recap that particular part and get back to you later. From my recall I thing it's a significant difference between cadaver dog and sniffer dog evidence and maybe he should have clarified this I can't recall him clarifying later either but would need to check |
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The Matthews WERE behind it. The Matthews WERE in it for the money. Their story fell apart immediately. The police briefed the media on how to help them in this case and it was decided to put pressure on the family to crack and it worked. They had the media adopt the opposite tactics in the case of Holly and Jessica and put no pressure at all on their suspect. Different cases, different tactics but both got the right result.
It was nothing to do with classism and everything to do with using the right tactics to unearth the evidence to solve the cases. You dont know enough about any of these cases to be credible.
Excuse me? Who are you? One of the Detectives on these cases? I know about the Philpott and Matthews cases as well as the Holly and Jessica and how the Police and Media illicited the resulting convictions...there have been many programmes over the years on them that I have watched or articles I've read. I don't need to write a long essay proving that on this forum...
The only credibility here is to your self appointed posturing arrogance... "
Im not the one throwing out incorrect theories, you are.
You say that people pointed the finger at the Matthews case because of classism. Then you say you know that the reason wasnt classism but because they slipped up immediately and the media coverage was heavily directed by police to help illicit a conviction.
So which is it? Classism or the correct tactics used by police to convict the perpetrators? Cause it cant be both. |
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The Matthews WERE behind it. The Matthews WERE in it for the money. Their story fell apart immediately. The police briefed the media on how to help them in this case and it was decided to put pressure on the family to crack and it worked. They had the media adopt the opposite tactics in the case of Holly and Jessica and put no pressure at all on their suspect. Different cases, different tactics but both got the right result.
It was nothing to do with classism and everything to do with using the right tactics to unearth the evidence to solve the cases. You dont know enough about any of these cases to be credible.
Excuse me? Who are you? One of the Detectives on these cases? I know about the Philpott and Matthews cases as well as the Holly and Jessica and how the Police and Media illicited the resulting convictions...there have been many programmes over the years on them that I have watched or articles I've read. I don't need to write a long essay proving that on this forum...
The only credibility here is to your self appointed posturing arrogance...
Im not the one throwing out incorrect theories, you are.
You say that people pointed the finger at the Matthews case because of classism. Then you say you know that the reason wasnt classism but because they slipped up immediately and the media coverage was heavily directed by police to help illicit a conviction.
So which is it? Classism or the correct tactics used by police to convict the perpetrators? Cause it cant be both."
Whatever I say you shall disagree with. However, I still feel the parents were responsible for her death. The whole 'story' we have been given makes no sense at all. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Oh God, not another McCann thread. There was one of these on the lounge recently and it devolved into absolute bullshit and half baked theories and general shite attitudes towards posters who disagreed with each other.
Nobody knows anything thats why she's never been found. Accept it, move on. Hundreds of children disappear each year across the world and are never seen again. One is not more special than another."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"would so love to hear shes found safe and well"
And the evil witch burst into flames,she is dead I am sure sad but true.
Did you see Little boy blue the other night.Now that is a real tradgedy,this is just perents with a way of making money out of it and/or to hide there guilt |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
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Most the children that go missing are found, albeit dead. If what her parents say is true then i think anyone would have compassion for them. If it was your child you wouldn't give up on them and nobody knows for absolute certain whether they are lying or telling the truth. I think too often people are so scared of being played for a fool that they miss the opportunity to help someone who really needs it. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
Most the children that go missing are found, albeit dead. If what her parents say is true then i think anyone would have compassion for them. If it was your child you wouldn't give up on them and nobody knows for absolute certain whether they are lying or telling the truth. I think too often people are so scared of being played for a fool that they miss the opportunity to help someone who really needs it. "
I agree. They're still looking for Ben Needham. He disappeared in 1991. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
Most the children that go missing are found, albeit dead. If what her parents say is true then i think anyone would have compassion for them. If it was your child you wouldn't give up on them and nobody knows for absolute certain whether they are lying or telling the truth. I think too often people are so scared of being played for a fool that they miss the opportunity to help someone who really needs it.
I agree. They're still looking for Ben Needham. He disappeared in 1991."
They're looking for his body bless him, there's a big difference. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
Most the children that go missing are found, albeit dead. If what her parents say is true then i think anyone would have compassion for them. If it was your child you wouldn't give up on them and nobody knows for absolute certain whether they are lying or telling the truth. I think too often people are so scared of being played for a fool that they miss the opportunity to help someone who really needs it.
I agree. They're still looking for Ben Needham. He disappeared in 1991.
They're looking for his body bless him, there's a big difference. "
Ok but even if maddie was murdered by an abductor, as a parent you'd want to know. I do accept the possibility they already know though. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
Most the children that go missing are found, albeit dead. If what her parents say is true then i think anyone would have compassion for them. If it was your child you wouldn't give up on them and nobody knows for absolute certain whether they are lying or telling the truth. I think too often people are so scared of being played for a fool that they miss the opportunity to help someone who really needs it.
I agree. They're still looking for Ben Needham. He disappeared in 1991.
They're looking for his body bless him, there's a big difference. "
Is there? They only recently started looking for a body, his mum always hoped he was alive. He was 21 months old and outside, on his own when he disappeared. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
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You're right they do.
I think it's more to do with the whole case surrounding her disappearence ~ 'middle class' professionals, nice family, left alone on holiday whilst parents out.....all makes for a tabloid media frenzy, one the papers have been living off for years. |
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"Sorry but children go missing every day
I don't understand why this particular child is so special!
You're right they do.
I think it's more to do with the whole case surrounding her disappearence ~ 'middle class' professionals, nice family, left alone on holiday whilst parents out.....all makes for a tabloid media frenzy, one the papers have been living off for years."
This was the point I was trying to make so it's good to see someone else shares similar sentiments as mine... |
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I could never leave my child alone on holiday or anywhere that not supervised and organized for kids i dont have kids yet but i know what i like with neices and neva not by myside where i go they come wot ever time if not secure fact |
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The recent theory put forward involving Moroccan abductors seems interesting.
North Africa isn't that far from Portugal and there are enough remote villages and compounds there to conceal a victim of such a crime and that's before factoring in girls there being forced to wear veils for cultural reasons,adding a further difficulty to getting a clear and confirmed sighting.
Very sad, contrary to what many others speculate , don't personally believe the McCann's are guilty of any foul play.
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"Very sad, contrary to what many others speculate , don't personally believe the McCann's are guilty of any foul play. "
Agree entirely !!! Folk conveniently overlook the fact they have been investigated by the police service of at least one country. |
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if this had happened in this country .... they would have been arrested ...
Leaving 3 young children alone ..... under the british justice system is neglect .... they would have been part of a safeguarding case .... END OF
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"if this had happened in this country .... they would have been arrested ...
Leaving 3 young children alone ..... under the british justice system is neglect .... they would have been part of a safeguarding case .... END OF
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If a British person commits a crime abroad they would still be prosecuted for it when they return, see Gary Glitter for more details. |
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"It's all about Social Class. Look at the Shannon Matthews case, or Mick Philpott. Chavs. We all openly pointed the finger.
Mrs Maccann is fairly photogenic, Middle Class...no one dares point the finger. I reckon they used to hit the child. There was a prior injury and she died in the hotel room on the 29th. They disposed of the body in the sea and conjured this ludicrous story....
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Many people point the finger at the parents. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
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The Police have just been given another £300.000 of taxpayers money to continue the search, This brings the total taxpayer spend to over £16 million, Where will it stop? |
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