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over a year ago
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I'm watching a program about breast ironing in Cameroon where 1 in 4 young girls have the breasts ironed with a hot rock to stop them developing. Their breasts are left scarred, deformed and flat. This is done because men think that if her breasts are developed she is ready for sex.
This in the 21st century ffs.  |
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OMG that is diabolical. Dont theyfeed their babies in the Cameroon? I spose it saves the girls from being raped? Hope to god they think there is a good reason for this. |
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I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way. |
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"I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way. "
God Granny I love you x 
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"I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way. "
How are the two related?
Both are obscene practises. I lobbied our local MP to debate playboy branded stuff for children and so did hundreds of others it seems as companies like Playboy will soon be restricted from putting their logos on pencil cases for example.
Small-breasted girls in porn are as popular as voluptuous girls and they are not forced to strip for the cameras you know.
You know I respect your views on most things Grannie but I really can't see any correlation between Playboy and it's merchandising in this country and ironing young girls breasts in Cameroon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Both are obscene practises. "
That's the point I think. Degrees of obscenity will be subjective, although I do agree with you regarding breast ironing. I don't like cliches but sometimes they're apt: something along the lines people in glass houses? |
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"I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way. "
nice one granny ,a great way of showing the cultural differences. We as a society abuse kids sexualising them far too early, in Africa (where i have worked)its the opposite, the difference is they do it out of ignorance and cultural belief ,we do it in the chase for the mighty dollar and largely ignore the effects.
Both are wrong in my opinion,being a kid is a one shot deal,we should protect our kids from violent computer games which often portray mass execution as a game ,films which tip blood on the lounge carpet,unregulated gangster lyrics glorifying killing ,and porn,where it is reported most kids experience porn at 7 years old via the internet.
its true..... societies in glass houses ,shouldnt throw stones  . |
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"its true..... societies in glass houses ,shouldnt throw stones . "
The programme I watched was at 2am on one of Sky's more obscure channels. It wasn't like it was produced by the BBC using govt money to highlight a concern in Cameroon. That's hardly throwing stones by our society (which incidentally I strongly disagree that 'we' as a society are sexualising children - don't count me in that 'we', nor anybody I know as I don't know anyone who would buy a Playboy t-shirt for a 7y/o girl).
Only a complete imbecile would see no harm in their daughter wearing such a garment and due to lobbying our MPs will soon be shutting those businesses producing such stuff down.
My OP was about young girls in Cameroon having their breasts ironed to PREVENT them becoming objects of sexual desire by men who live in a society that takes NO ACTION against child abusers.
On the face of it it sounds like the mother's of these girls are trying to protect them from rape and sexual abuse but they're going about it in completely the wrong way. The reporter filming the programme actually tried to stop one monther from ironing her daughter's breasts and the poor girl was cowering in terror until the reporter stepped in. The mother tried to justify her actions by saying her mother had done it her and it was quite normal. Education is the key here coincided with a stronger law that prosecutes men who rape children. |
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How do kids get to see films with pools of blood? Should we stop children from playing war games outside, where in my childhood you would kill lots of people.
Set top boxes and pin codes to lock them out, and the watershed exists for channels with no PIN system.
Similarly on the internet porn issue, you can filter things and control access via the computer.
So before we get all draconian, perhaps we should do our own little bit to control what they see if that is what we as individuals want to do.
Danger of having 'state' control of these is that the 'state' concept of what we are allowed to see will may be somewhat limited.
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"its true..... societies in glass houses ,shouldnt throw stones .
The programme I watched was at 2am on one of Sky's more obscure channels. It wasn't like it was produced by the BBC using govt money to highlight a concern in Cameroon. That's hardly throwing stones by our society (which incidentally I strongly disagree that 'we' as a society are sexualising children - don't count me in that 'we', nor anybody I know as I don't know anyone who would buy a Playboy t-shirt for a 7y/o girl).
Only a complete imbecile would see no harm in their daughter wearing such a garment and due to lobbying our MPs will soon be shutting those businesses producing such stuff down.
My OP was about young girls in Cameroon having their breasts ironed to PREVENT them becoming objects of sexual desire by men who live in a society that takes NO ACTION against child abusers.
On the face of it it sounds like the mother's of these girls are trying to protect them from rape and sexual abuse but they're going about it in completely the wrong way. The reporter filming the programme actually tried to stop one monther from ironing her daughter's breasts and the poor girl was cowering in terror until the reporter stepped in. The mother tried to justify her actions by saying her mother had done it her and it was quite normal. Education is the key here coincided with a stronger law that prosecutes men who rape children."
Well while i agree about breast ironing and also genital mutilation is totally wrong (and its great you that you dont know anyone is buying playboy logo stuff for kids)someone is buying them otherwise they would not be in the shops.
The use of the word WE is a collective term for society ,not the individual.
The throwing stones comment, is about "yes" point the finger at other nations and out their wrong doing via their cultural beliefs, but to not do the same and scrutinise our own society surely is not fair, and COULD be construed as double standards,unless you believe everything is perfect of course.
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I'm sorry but a kid wearing a slightly sexual t-shirt is by no means the same as putting hot rocks on a young girl's developing breasts, maiming her for life.
This is the programme I watched. See for yourself the damage breast ironing does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5upAAPk_3I |
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"I'm sorry but a kid wearing a slightly sexual t-shirt is by no means the same as putting hot rocks on a young girl's developing breasts, maiming her for life.
This is the programme I watched. See for yourself the damage breast ironing does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5upAAPk_3I"
That's barbaric!  |
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"I'm sorry but a kid wearing a slightly sexual t-shirt is by no means the same as putting hot rocks on a young girl's developing breasts, maiming her for life.
This is the programme I watched. See for yourself the damage breast ironing does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5upAAPk_3I"
Yes as i said wishy i totally agree with you ,it is wrong ,there is no debate ,but at the same time there is stuff over in our society, which is wrong.
Not all kids in Africa are at risk from this (thank god),its particular to the 10 regions of the Cameroon its cultural and effects 1 in 4 approximately 5000 women between 12 and 82.
In our society not all kids are safe, last year 390,000 children were refered to the children in need programme with 39,900+ being put under a child protection orders.
Without wishing to put words into her mouth, I suspect Granny was just pointing that out, in her own way, and i agree with her. |
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"I'm sorry but a kid wearing a slightly sexual t-shirt is by no means the same as putting hot rocks on a young girl's developing breasts, maiming her for life.
This is the programme I watched. See for yourself the damage breast ironing does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5upAAPk_3I
Yes as i said wishy i totally agree with you ,it is wrong ,there is no debate ,but at the same time there is stuff over in our society, which is wrong.
Not all kids in Africa are at risk from this (thank god),its particular to the 10 regions of the Cameroon its cultural and effects 1 in 4 approximately 5000 women between 12 and 82.
In our society not all kids are safe, last year 390,000 children were refered to the children in need programme with 39,900+ being put under a child protection orders.
Without wishing to put words into her mouth, I suspect Granny was just pointing that out, in her own way, and i agree with her."
I know there are children abused over here but what was happenning in Cameroon is accepted as normal over there. That's what has to be tackled. Is it any real surprise that men over there are targetting young unspoiled girls for sex when the alternative is sex with a maimed and disfigured woman. To my mind, it is symptomatic of the entire problem and each scenario is driving the other. |
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"I'm sorry but a kid wearing a slightly sexual t-shirt is by no means the same as putting hot rocks on a young girl's developing breasts, maiming her for life.
This is the programme I watched. See for yourself the damage breast ironing does:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5upAAPk_3I
Yes as i said wishy i totally agree with you ,it is wrong ,there is no debate ,but at the same time there is stuff over in our society, which is wrong.
Not all kids in Africa are at risk from this (thank god),its particular to the 10 regions of the Cameroon its cultural and effects 1 in 4 approximately 5000 women between 12 and 82.
In our society not all kids are safe, last year 390,000 children were refered to the children in need programme with 39,900+ being put under a child protection orders.
Without wishing to put words into her mouth, I suspect Granny was just pointing that out, in her own way, and i agree with her.
I know there are children abused over here but what was happenning in Cameroon is accepted as normal over there. That's what has to be tackled. Is it any real surprise that men over there are targetting young unspoiled girls for sex when the alternative is sex with a maimed and disfigured woman. To my mind, it is symptomatic of the entire problem and each scenario is driving the other."
yeah i agree totally ,but it will only change by education of why it is wrong to them ?
so a coversation might go
Us: you cant do that its wrong and abuse
Them : but we are trying to protect our kids from rape asnd disgracing their familys,why is that wrong?
us: Well you cant disfigure your kids for life its so wrong
them: ok what do you do.
us: we lock up rapists and protect our kids from sex till they are 16.
them: Then in that case you better lock up the whole population of men then as its natural to have sex when you can ,we follow instinct.
Its just a totally different culture which has come down to them,just like ours have ,it was legal in victorian times to have sex with 13 year old minors who were prostitutes trying to survive.
We decided via law to make it abuse until 16, and we still havent got child protection right 150 + years later,what chance do they have when they see it as a heritage to protect their kids .
Its a real pisser
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Child sex in Cameroon must still be of endemic proportions for mothers to see mutilation of their daughter's bodies as the only way to stop it. By that reckoning one could argue that mutilation isn't working. The practise of breast ironing should be halted and then deal with the problem of male sex predators some other way. The way they are doing trying to combat child sex now is wrong on so many levels it beggar's belief. |
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"Child sex in Cameroon must still be of endemic proportions for mothers to see mutilation of their daughter's bodies as the only way to stop it. By that reckoning one could argue that mutilation isn't working. The practise of breast ironing should be halted and then deal with the problem of male sex predators some other way. The way they are doing trying to combat child sex now is wrong on so many levels it beggar's belief."
i totally agree it is ,but they have a different culture to sex than we do ,different age values ...doweries as they sell there kids into marriage.It takes education over a long period to change things..and that costs money.
Thats if the tribal elders allow you in and dont tell you to fuck off. |
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"I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way.
How are the two related?
Both are obscene practises. I lobbied our local MP to debate playboy branded stuff for children and so did hundreds of others it seems as companies like Playboy will soon be restricted from putting their logos on pencil cases for example.
Small-breasted girls in porn are as popular as voluptuous girls and they are not forced to strip for the cameras you know.
You know I respect your views on most things Grannie but I really can't see any correlation between Playboy and it's merchandising in this country and ironing young girls breasts in Cameroon."
Hello Wishy,
Thanks for your reply. My contribution to this thread is not in oppostition to what you highlight.
I guess I see a correlation because I am a woman, because I have been a girl, because I have daughters, because behind any sexual abuse, pain and torture lies a male whose needs are paramount - to him. |
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"I know ......thank God I live in England. We can have nice Playboy logos on children's T shirts and pencils to lure them into the porn industry early and small tittied girls go down well on porn sites globally. Don't you just love the western way.
How are the two related?
Both are obscene practises. I lobbied our local MP to debate playboy branded stuff for children and so did hundreds of others it seems as companies like Playboy will soon be restricted from putting their logos on pencil cases for example.
Small-breasted girls in porn are as popular as voluptuous girls and they are not forced to strip for the cameras you know.
You know I respect your views on most things Grannie but I really can't see any correlation between Playboy and it's merchandising in this country and ironing young girls breasts in Cameroon.
Hello Wishy,
Thanks for your reply. My contribution to this thread is not in oppostition to what you highlight.
I guess I see a correlation because I am a woman, because I have been a girl, because I have daughters, because behind any sexual abuse, pain and torture lies a male whose needs are paramount - to him. "
As a man, it makes me feel like I'm included in that sort of scenario when women talk about men and sexual abuse. I know you don't mean that at all but that's how it makes decent honest men feel - like they're being lumped in with all the bad ones. I watched that program last night and felt utter rage that this was being done to young girls because men would want to have sex with them if it wasn't done. Where are these girl's fathers? Doesn't family love exist in these communities?
I've always said that if anyone ever touches my daughter that way I'd find a lifer in the same prison and take care of his family on the outside if he killed the fucker who molested my daughter. |
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