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Atheism. The only choice for Swingers?

By *artytwo OP Couple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion? "

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I wont burn in hell...hey ho

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

Because Jesus loved Mary Magdalen the prostitute and whore so he loves me too and forgives all my sins

Which incidentally are very few

And I'm not a swinger

Just a slut

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am a non believer which means there is no sin, so I can do what I want

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Most religious people I know have a way of picking and choosing which bits of it apply to them, explaining away or just ignoring altogether the bits that don't suit their ideology.

I don't think religious swingers would be any different in that regard.

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By *artytwo OP Couple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

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By *artytwo OP Couple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does"

Isn't the bishop of Rome god's chosen emissary?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does

Isn't the bishop of Rome god's chosen emissary?"

But god doesn't choose him

Men in dresses do - then smoke the place out!

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does

Isn't the bishop of Rome god's chosen emissary?"

That is what he claims

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hear God's name called a lot in clubs

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does

Isn't the bishop of Rome god's chosen emissary?

But god doesn't choose him

Men in dresses do - then smoke the place out!

I knew it; this is a TV/TS thread in 'disguise'

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"No

Because Jesus loved Mary Magdalen the prostitute and whore so he loves me too and forgives all my sins

Which incidentally are very few

And I'm not a swinger

Just a slut

There's a school of thought that goes along the lines that she wasn't a prostitute but the misogynistic church didn't want women shown in too favourable a light.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

No; what I do, God does not find sinful; only the Catholic Church does

Isn't the bishop of Rome god's chosen emissary?

But god doesn't choose him

Men in dresses do - then smoke the place out!

I knew it; this is a TV/TS thread in 'disguise'

They're waiting for surgery!

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By *artytwo OP Couple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

A religious fundamentalist once said to me that I must be mad not to believe in (his)god.

I suggested in riposte that I believed religious belief to be a sign of mental illness.

He wasn't too pleased with that.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"No

Because Jesus loved Mary Magdalen the prostitute and whore so he loves me too and forgives all my sins

Which incidentally are very few

And I'm not a swinger

Just a slut

There's a school of thought that goes along the lines that she wasn't a prostitute but the misogynistic church didn't want women shown in too favourable a light."

This is true

And has much really changed

Its still a Man's world

And men and women judge a highly successful sexually active lady very negatively

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

As someone above said, people will pick out the bits that suit them but I don't think there is any major recognised faith that would condone this site and anyone that calls themselves religious and uses it are deluding themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion? "

Greek gods seem pretty damn debauched

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dunno some of those Christian sects have a lot of wives.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion?

Greek gods seem pretty damn debauched"

Let's not forget the Romans and their orgies too

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

There is a lot of confusion between what the Church decrees and what Christ taught

Anyways, I am outta here as these discussions never end well

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

I dunno some of those Christian sects have a lot of wives.

Which?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

I dunno some of those Christian sects have a lot of wives.

And those poor wives had to make do with solo cock!

And then... from the ether... man created, in as many days as digital coding would allow... the world of Fab!

And it was beautiful!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Those wives never looked that happy with just the one cock either

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact "

Really? Do you tell him exactly what you get up to? Has he said he approves? Would he recommend your lifestyle to the rest of his parishioners?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

didnt he give us freedom of choice or something - i call him most times when im having sex

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

There is a lot of confusion between what the Church decrees and what Christ taught

Anyways, I am outta here as these discussions never end well

So you think if Christ came back he would approve of wife swapping? Various sexual partners? Gang bangs? Dogging?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If there is a God I don't think they give a fuck about any of this and I'm planning to avoid meeting them for as long as possible anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion? "

Personally, I feel that anyone who believes that their invisible friend is real, talks to them, and lives their life on what they believe their invisible friend has said through the mouths of others - is a complete bloody nutcase and doesn't deserve my respect.

That said, Father Christmas is definitely real and I'd like a new wand this Christmas please

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect"

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact

Really? Do you tell him exactly what you get up to? Has he said he approves? Would he recommend your lifestyle to the rest of his parishioners?"

It's a she

And she's seen my photos yes

And the parishioners know anyway

As for recommending a lifestyle

It's not something that most vicars would do

They just advise not condemn

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice."

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice."

Then they are deluded

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded"

Do you speak for God?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith?

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact

Really? Do you tell him exactly what you get up to? Has he said he approves? Would he recommend your lifestyle to the rest of his parishioners?

It's a she

And she's seen my photos yes

And the parishioners know anyway

As for recommending a lifestyle

It's not something that most vicars would do

They just advise not condemn "

So she's not actually approved your lifestyle, just not condemned it?

Seems to me she's doing what any good vicar would do...Waiting and hoping you'll eventually see 'the error of your ways' and being there for you if and when you do.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact

Really? Do you tell him exactly what you get up to? Has he said he approves? Would he recommend your lifestyle to the rest of his parishioners?

It's a she

And she's seen my photos yes

And the parishioners know anyway

As for recommending a lifestyle

It's not something that most vicars would do

They just advise not condemn

So she's not actually approved your lifestyle, just not condemned it?

Seems to me she's doing what any good vicar would do...Waiting and hoping you'll eventually see 'the error of your ways' and being there for you if and when you do."

Incorrect

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith? "

They include many, many things that people choose to interpret differently now than they used to. Whole new religions have evolved from some.

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

Aaaaaaand we're back full circle to picking and choosing what part of your religion suits your purposes and ignoring the parts that don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

Aaaaaaand we're back full circle to picking and choosing what part of your religion suits your purposes and ignoring the parts that don't."

Should you pick and choose for them instead?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith?

They include many, many things that people choose to interpret differently now than they used to. Whole new religions have evolved from some.

I've read a few of these novels, and nowhere have I seen any approbation of swinging, or anything close.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do. "

Like they know the subject too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do.

Like they know the subject too "

Maybe they're atheists because they read it, studied it and decided it was bollox

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

Has your vicar approved the lifestyles of the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the wife beaters and the paedophiles in your congregation? Or is she accepting them in the hope they can be better people if they truly turn to her God?

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

She doesn't approve nor disapprove in equal measure actually

You just don't get it

Do you

Oh well

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

She doesn't approve nor disapprove in equal measure actually

You just don't get it

Do you

Oh well "

THEY HAVE TURNED TO GOD

That's why ththey're in church in the first place

Doh!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The original question mentioned no particular religion. A few are choosing to argue according to their own belief about particular beliefs.

I've got no idea if there is a God. If there is one and they can read my thoughts, I reckon they'll be ok with it.

If somebody else chooses to practise their own set of beliefs according to their own values, good luck to them.

If somebody wants to dictate to others how and whether they can or can't do something according to their own bullshit, I think it best they fuck off and mind their own business.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do.

Like they know the subject too

Maybe they're atheists because they read it, studied it and decided it was bollox

But still feel the need to go on and on and on and on about it.

People give out to the Jehovah's for having a knock up every now and then but that atheist lot are proper busy.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"The original question mentioned no particular religion. A few are choosing to argue according to their own belief about particular beliefs.

I've got no idea if there is a God. If there is one and they can read my thoughts, I reckon they'll be ok with it.

If somebody else chooses to practise their own set of beliefs according to their own values, good luck to them.

If somebody wants to dictate to others how and whether they can or can't do something according to their own bullshit, I think it best they fuck off and mind their own business.

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

What about us agnostics

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Should you pick and choose for them instead?

Isn't the point that religious institutions are usually absolute?

Why would you want to belong to a church if you don't want to accept all its doctine?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What about us agnostics

We get to piss everybody off

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith? "

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

My methodist vicar doesn't disapprove of what I do

In fact people who have a true loving faith rarely disapprove of others lives in actual fact

Really? Do you tell him exactly what you get up to? Has he said he approves? Would he recommend your lifestyle to the rest of his parishioners?

It's a she

And she's seen my photos yes

And the parishioners know anyway

As for recommending a lifestyle

It's not something that most vicars would do

They just advise not condemn

So she's not actually approved your lifestyle, just not condemned it?

Seems to me she's doing what any good vicar would do...Waiting and hoping you'll eventually see 'the error of your ways' and being there for you if and when you do."

How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

Those with a true faith can often very tolerant and accepting of 'outside of the norm',and some people of prominence within a church are simply accepting and sympathetic people, as are many people regardless of faith; seems from your argument you suggest pp vicar can only be acting in that manner from 'ulterior motive'.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith?

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site."

Untrue

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

She doesn't approve nor disapprove in equal measure actually

You just don't get it

Do you

Oh well "

I do get it. You don't

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"It's odd how people who have never sat down and spoken to a vicar have such assumptions about them

My parishes congregation includes

Millionaires

Drug adicts

Alcoholics

Wife beaters

Paedophiles

And that's just the ones who you'd never guess were

And before you get to the homeless and the murderer

She doesn't approve nor disapprove in equal measure actually

You just don't get it

Do you

Oh well

I do get it. You don't

Wrong again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do.

Like they know the subject too

Maybe they're atheists because they read it, studied it and decided it was bollox

But still feel the need to go on and on and on and on about it.

People give out to the Jehovah's for having a knock up every now and then but that atheist lot are proper busy. "

Atheism is a form of religion by definition of a particular disbelief. I don't care if there is or there isn't a god (lower case!), but if there is and this "god" is able to do all this wondrous stuff, why do such horrendous illnesses like cancer exist?

In my view, there are 3 options.

Either this "god" can do no "miracles" or other magic tricks like curing cancer, and is therefore not worth praying to.

Or this "god" CAN do all the magic stuff and chooses not to, which just makes "it" a complete git and not worthy of prayer.

Or no "god" exists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If your chosen god has the ability to see everything you do and read all your thoughts, should you be getting up to all this 'sinful' malarky?

Isn't it safer to have no religion? "

The opening post is a contradiction. If someone has chosen to believe there is a god how would it be 'safer' to suddenly deny that belief.

Safer against what exactly?

If you don't believe then there's nothing to be concerned about so how can it be safer?

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"The original question mentioned no particular religion. A few are choosing to argue according to their own belief about particular beliefs.

I've got no idea if there is a God. If there is one and they can read my thoughts, I reckon they'll be ok with it.

If somebody else chooses to practise their own set of beliefs according to their own values, good luck to them.

If somebody wants to dictate to others how and whether they can or can't do something according to their own bullshit, I think it best they fuck off and mind their own business.

"
This.

Though I do believe there is a god,and I believe that if in my life i treat people,planet and animals kindly and with respect,causing them no harm, then swinging in the scheme of all things would be not be something that I would be judged to have done wrong.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I know what I mean.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find it amusing that atheists talk about God more than Christians do.

Like they know the subject too

Maybe they're atheists because they read it, studied it and decided it was bollox

But still feel the need to go on and on and on and on about it.

People give out to the Jehovah's for having a knock up every now and then but that atheist lot are proper busy.

In my view, there are 3 options.

Either this "god" can do no "miracles" or other magic tricks like curing cancer, and is therefore not worth praying to.

Or this "god" CAN do all the magic stuff and chooses not to, which just makes "it" a complete git and not worthy of prayer.

Or no "god" exists.

Or we're just not as important as we hope

Or a god exists but is beyond our comprehension, because we're not as clever as we think..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

There have likely been thousands of religions and the current crop seem no more likely to be any less fantasy then the rest. If there's not an organised religion that fits my needs and outlook on sex and other important stuff, I conclude that they're all wrong.

Clearly nonsense devised to control people, whilst generating wealth, seems no better than a pyramid or ponzi scheme.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"The original question mentioned no particular religion. A few are choosing to argue according to their own belief about particular beliefs.

I've got no idea if there is a God. If there is one and they can read my thoughts, I reckon they'll be ok with it.

If somebody else chooses to practise their own set of beliefs according to their own values, good luck to them.

If somebody wants to dictate to others how and whether they can or can't do something according to their own bullshit, I think it best they fuck off and mind their own business.

This.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I know what I mean.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

A lot of what is written in the bible is backed up by other writings, some of what is written is badly interpreted, some is misinpreterpreted, whether that may be deliberate or accidental. Do I take every word to be followed exactly? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

And that's entirely their right - to practise their faith as they choose, not how others might dictate.

But don't the various religious instruction manuals (Bible, Koran, Torah etc) "dictate" to them how they're supposed to practice their faith?

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site."

Correct, uncommitted sex is simply incompatible with the scriptures/teachings of all the major religions, whatever the individual may feel comfortable with.

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded"

But god forgives all sins

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive."

Helping people and saving souls are not necessarily the same thing and arguably while you *may* be correct that saving souls is an ulterior motive of a vicar, some people just genuinely want to help in whatever form that may take.

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By *rat32Couple over a year ago

North Notts

Go on BBC iplayer, there's a very interesting programme called sex and the church. Should answer most of your questions.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded"

It depends on Where/how that person has formed their definition of sin though,doesn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded

But god forgives all sins "

Sinners go to Hell

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded

But god forgives all sins

Sinners go to Hell"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think what people get up to on through fab pales into insignificance when you compare it to the what paedophile priests are into. There is no hell. But if there was, I think I can guess which type of perverts will be at the top of the guest list

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site."

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"We are all sinners, we can only ask for forgiveness.

Nobody is perfect

Exactly. If you believe. But there are those on here who think that what they do is not a sin in the eyes of whatever faith they practice.

Then they are deluded

Do you speak for God?

Why do you?

The bible is based on fact, is it 100% accurate? No

Do I speak for God? No

Everybody sins, be it lying stealing, fornication, profane language, even down to piercings and tattoos are classed as sins. So for anyone To say they don't sin, they are deluded

But god forgives all sins

Sinners go to Hell"

So repentance gets you...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can somebody sin if they don't believe in that particular god?

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

If I had meant them as the same thing I would've used a comma instead of "and".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

best summed up by ricky Jervis as follows.

"If there is a god, well why did he make me an atheist" ?

also.. stephen fry tells it like it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

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By *ere-for-my-convenienceWoman over a year ago

West Midlands

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?

I assume you're referring to me and not the OP as you've quoted my post?

If so, I agree, religions do and have evolved. But, none, as far as I'm aware, have yet to condone fornication."

Neither do they disapprove

Your misinterpteting what they say

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

If I had meant them as the same thing I would've used a comma instead of "and"."

You seem to completely write off that some vicars may just possess good,kind characteristics and suggest they do as they do purely for the sake of their work.

May I ask, do you have an aversion to faith leaders/religion/ belief systems or are you merely mooting a point?

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By *ilk n SteelCouple over a year ago

Croydon

Interesting subject.

Are there actually any swingers who are also church goers here?

For example, do you go to a club on a Saturday night and commit all kinds of sin and adultery and then go to church on Sunday morning and ask for forgiveness?

Sounds like it would work of at least makes sense.

A lot of Christians believe you mustn't have sex outside of marraige. This is a real pity as we have a friend of 23, young and beautiful and with a fantastic gym body who is a virgin and saving herself for her husband on her wedding night. She has been denying herself pleasure for a decade due to an outdated superstition she has chosen to accept.

If there is a God, and they have given us these pleasure organs, then they would not prohibit us from using them and causing us to suffer with frustration through unquenched desires.

There was an argument, based on all these paedophile priests, that they are celibate and discourage sex between men and women, because they have no interest in it, as all they are interested in is little boys. One time that would have sounded outrageous. In recent times it's become a lot more believable.

And are there any swingers here who are church pastors or something similar? There doesn't seem anything wrong with a Pentecostal or Methodist community have a sub group of swingers.

Go to the club and see someone you know from church. We all have the run into someone we know at the club story. If you go to church it will probably happen. You probably won't talk about it after. Makes for a good story though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What is it that religious persons have faith in?

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?"

I assume you're referring to me and not the OP as you've quoted my post?

If so, I agree, religions do and have evolved. But, none, as far as I'm aware, condone fornication.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?

I assume you're referring to me and not the OP as you've quoted my post?

If so, I agree, religions do and have evolved. But, none, as far as I'm aware, condone fornication."

That is your interpretation.

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

If I had meant them as the same thing I would've used a comma instead of "and".

You seem to completely write off that some vicars may just possess good,kind characteristics and suggest they do as they do purely for the sake of their work.

May I ask, do you have an aversion to faith leaders/religion/ belief systems or are you merely mooting a point? "

I'm not disputing that some vicars possess good, kind characteristics. But they didn't need to join the church to make use of those characteristics. They joined the church to do "God's work". Which ultimately is to save souls.

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By *allipygousMan over a year ago

Leicester

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?

I assume you're referring to me and not the OP as you've quoted my post?

If so, I agree, religions do and have evolved. But, none, as far as I'm aware, condone fornication.

That is your interpretation. "

Tell me a major mainstream religion that does condone fornication then.

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By *ipsTeaserCouple over a year ago

here and there, thereabouts

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

If I had meant them as the same thing I would've used a comma instead of "and".

You seem to completely write off that some vicars may just possess good,kind characteristics and suggest they do as they do purely for the sake of their work.

May I ask, do you have an aversion to faith leaders/religion/ belief systems or are you merely mooting a point?

How do you know that? How Can you Say with complete conviction that they didn't find that church is the one place that allows them best to be the person they wish to be and naturally are?

Also, out of curiosity Id genuinely like to know where is the ultimate dictate that says the church(in this example) exists ultimately to 'save souls?'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"best summed up by ricky Jervis as follows.

"If there is a god, well why did he make me an atheist" ?

also.. stephen fry tells it like it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo "

This is the thing I find most amusing. A celebrity said it so it must be true. Blindly following a celeb or blindly following a religion. Is there a difference ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am a spiritualist and a psychic. But also a naughty bitch why should anyone judge others

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"How do you yourself define a 'good' vicar? You seem to have rather fixed ideas and seem to be trying to suggest that your interpretation must be the correct one.

To help as many people and save as many souls as they can is their ulterior motive.

If I had meant them as the same thing I would've used a comma instead of "and".

You seem to completely write off that some vicars may just possess good,kind characteristics and suggest they do as they do purely for the sake of their work.

May I ask, do you have an aversion to faith leaders/religion/ belief systems or are you merely mooting a point?

How do you know that? How Can you Say with complete conviction that they didn't find that church is the one place that allows them best to be the person they wish to be and naturally are?

Also, out of curiosity Id genuinely like to know where is the ultimate dictate that says the church(in this example) exists ultimately to 'save souls?'

It's called 'The Great Commission' and is found in all the Gospels I believe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, they do dictate. The point I'm trying to make is none of the faiths you mentioned above condone formication, which essentially is what goes on in here.

Anyone who says they believe/practice any of the major faiths are going against their teachings (dictates) by using this site.

Op, the official current stance of the Catholic Church is that Hell does not exist. Did you know that?

My point is that all religions evolve. Taken literally the Bible and other holy books contradict themselves.

There is a difference between belief, faith and religion. Extremism has no more valid a claim to a faith than moderate free thinking believers.

You seem to be trying to tell people what the rules of their beliefs are based on your interpretation.

May I suggest you think it through first?

I assume you're referring to me and not the OP as you've quoted my post?

If so, I agree, religions do and have evolved. But, none, as far as I'm aware, condone fornication.

That is your interpretation.

Tell me a major mainstream religion that does condone fornication then."

Tell me a major mainstream religion that delivers a message which is interpreted by all of its 'followers' in precisely the same way. The diversity of interpretation of Christianity is incredible, go to America and you'll get some sects speaking in 'tongues'!

All of the major religions are organic evolving fluid belief systems in nature. That's why many of the successful ones have stood the test of time.

When they change they rarely condemn their previous stance, they just seem to go quiet on it.

I still feel that you're using your interpretation of someone else's belief to judge them.