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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should be NON smoking pubs and smoking pubs....
That way you has your choice and not so many pubs will go out of buisness  "
...but all pubs have smoking areas, they're just outside, and it looks like those that use them have a right jolly old time talking to folk they normally wouldnt.
additionally, although the initial reaction was that trade would go down, it has, apparently, increased since the smoking ban. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only."
because, by definition of the law, all enclosed (public) spaces are to be smoke free |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Went to the staff party on Xmas Eve at Chameleons, the club being closed we all smoked in the bar, 40 years of smoking and I have to say it was horrible, I have hated the smoking ban but can understand now how non-smokers felt in the pubs n clubs, when your not used to it as we all are now it's quite a shocker when you try it again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In truth some pubs do have an increased turnover but when you analise the facts part of that reason is because pubs have been closing at an alarming rate, home drinking has increased.
Sadly and kinda stupidly many pubs didn't do anything for the smokers with any kind of sheltered area until it was too late. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love the smoking ban. If places put in proper outdoor smoking areas then it's not a problem.
Dublin has some great smoking areas, one club has a whole massive outdoor area with tables, heaters, trees etc.
The problem comes when they have a little shed roof type thing where the light heaters don't work.
The not stinking of smoke the next day and your clothes reeking is so much better.
And like someone said, they are great places to talk to others....and chat people up or as a quieter place to get to know someone new you've met inside. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I love the smoking ban. If places put in proper outdoor smoking areas then it's not a problem.
Dublin has some great smoking areas, one club has a whole massive outdoor area with tables, heaters, trees etc.
The problem comes when they have a little shed roof type thing where the light heaters don't work.
The not stinking of smoke the next day and your clothes reeking is so much better.
And like someone said, they are great places to talk to others....and chat people up or as a quieter place to get to know someone new you've met inside."
there's quite a few in the uk that do that too...many in my home town do. some are better equipped than the bar! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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there's quite a few in the uk that do that too...many in my home town do. some are better equipped than the bar!"
lol exactly, when they're done right, they can be great. There's a cool one in blackpool I was at a few weeks ago too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In Spain, where there IS a smoking ban, most pubs/restaurants just ignore it and carry on regardless. I think they're supposed to pay a €2,000 exemption fee but it's not rigorously enforced if they don't.
If only we had the balls to tell the govt to sod off over here huh?
I miss having a pint and a smoke at the bar. Although I don't miss the disgusting ash trays that were never emptied regularly like they do abroad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only.
because, by definition of the law, all enclosed (public) spaces are to be smoke free"
I have been in a pub garden having a cigarette and was incensed by a woman who was with her smoking friends but clearly didn't smoke herself, yet she stood there and griped incessantly about how the garden should be smoke free too. It took a force of will that I never knew I had to stop myself from telling the old bag to piss off back inside if it bothered her that much. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"additionally, although the initial reaction was that trade would go down, it has, apparently, increased since the smoking ban. "
i cant see how that can be true, theres loads of pubs that have gone out of buisness and closed down, new houses built on the land etc since the smoking ban how can it have possibly have increased trade since the smoking ban?
Lets be honest the only pubs that still get busy are the ones in the towm centres on a friday and saturday night, most of the smaller pubs out of town have gone now |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only.
because, by definition of the law, all enclosed (public) spaces are to be smoke free
I have been in a pub garden having a cigarette and was incensed by a woman who was with her smoking friends but clearly didn't smoke herself, yet she stood there and griped incessantly about how the garden should be smoke free too. It took a force of will that I never knew I had to stop myself from telling the old bag to piss off back inside if it bothered her that much."
personally i think if none smokers like fresh air so much the none smoking area should be out side
But i know what your saying ive had it a few times too, because now days most people are stood outside having a fag it seems lots of none smokers have started going out cause thats where everyone is and people actually talk to you out there! but they stand there moaning and coughing 
Has anyone else ever noticed how much friendlier the smoking areas seem to be, i find this a lot in swinging clubs, you can stand at the bar etc and noone will talk to you, and it can be a real effort getting a conversation going at times, but you go out for a fag and everyones laughing and chatting away to each other
misrable fookers you none smokers are lmao |
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"In Spain, where there IS a smoking ban, most pubs/restaurants just ignore it and carry on regardless. I think they're supposed to pay a €2,000 exemption fee but it's not rigorously enforced if they don't.
If only we had the balls to tell the govt to sod off over here huh?
I miss having a pint and a smoke at the bar. Although I don't miss the disgusting ash trays that were never emptied regularly like they do abroad."
yes they have an icon of a GREEN CIGGY , i cant see it costing 2000 but will find out
we dont go to pubs in uk anymore because of the ban , its ok going outside for a cigg but when you come back youve lost your seats n table
those who complain about there clothes smelling of tobbacco are talking about the 50s
up untill the ban most pubs had extractor fans that could power a hovercraft and the air was like a mountain pine forest
the MOONS chain used to have smoking areas and people in the other parts of the pub had no idea there were others smoking
and i can remember them going round with a little brush and box emptying the ash trays every 5 minutes
in las vegas casinos you can smoke , and theres no problem at all , you just need good extractors , although they do pump in oxygen aswell there so the air is better than it is outside ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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those who complain about there clothes smelling of tobbacco are talking about the 50s
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In the 50's ? ?? I don't think so ... I DJ'd for a good few years, giving it up in 2001.
When I got home from doing gigs at various pubs / clubs in the area, I was always stinking of smoke and that ceratinly wasn't in the 50's.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't miss it either,the only thing I find is that you can smell things you did'nt notice before......BO.......farts....  "
Rather deal with that than selfish fuckers smoking next to me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only."
Its not just about the pub goers though, its about the staff who work in the pubs for hours, days, weeks and years on end. They could well be exposed to more smoke through passive smoking hundreds of peoples stale smoke than a smoker just lighting up once or twice a day.
No one likes change but the more savvy pubs, have like people say have good outside smoking areas. Others, now its fresher inside have started selling food and attracting different clientelle.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the demise of OUR local pubs has sadly had more to do with the smoking ban alone, being a smoker of 25 yrs, i am more than happy to go outside in all weathers, and do so at home too, indeed it has created another culture trait called smirting (smoking/flirting) great stuff !!! not that i participate in this pastime of course  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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don't see a problem with a ban on smoking in pubs. it wont be long before they ban drinking. how long before they make watching tv all evening and not moving out the house compulsory? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only.
Its not just about the pub goers though, its about the staff who work in the pubs for hours, days, weeks and years on end. They could well be exposed to more smoke through passive smoking hundreds of peoples stale smoke than a smoker just lighting up once or twice a day. "
You mean the staff who CHOOSE to work in pubs & clubs.
There is way too much hand holding in this country and the smoking ban need never have been implemented if the policy of going into a pub or a club was the visitor's own choice to do so and any risks thereof is their responsibility.
Does that sound selfish?
Maybe it does, but there are people who have smoked all their lives and never developed a smoking-related illness (both my grandfathers smoked and neither died of cancer, nor any other smoking-related disease).
I would suggest that someone who has a family history of cancer and/or lung disease would be quite foolish to then begin smoking, likewise with asthmatic problems etc. My family do not have such a history and I've smoked most of my life and don't feel any the worse for wear for it.
Yet all because Roy Castle - a man I never met, who pursued fame & fortune by starting off in working men's clubs through his own CHOICE - began having a pop at smokers who he blamed for his condition, has prevented me from doing something I enjoy.
Am I selfish?
No more so than those who wish to enforce their will upon me, when quite clearly, they could have simply stayed out of the pubs if it bothered them that much.
As for the politicians that introduced the anti-smoking laws, most of whom never visit normal pubs and clubs like the majority of us, and then stupefyingly allowed the House of Commons bar to remain a place where one could smoke freely.
And that's my problem with it all. The law isn't uniform across the entire country, and as such, it shouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I am a non smoker, hubby is a smoker...I spend more time when we go to a pub outside than in as most of the people we speak to and hubby are outside all night smoking!!
Bring back choice I say, let pubs use one room for smokers and one for non smokers and if what I have seen is anything to go by, the smokers one will be more full !
If by a miracle the law was changed, then if bar workers don't want to work in a pub that lets smokers in they don't have to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should smoking areas be outside why not have a designated room inside for smokers only.
Its not just about the pub goers though, its about the staff who work in the pubs for hours, days, weeks and years on end. They could well be exposed to more smoke through passive smoking hundreds of peoples stale smoke than a smoker just lighting up once or twice a day.
You mean the staff who CHOOSE to work in pubs & clubs.
There is way too much hand holding in this country and the smoking ban need never have been implemented if the policy of going into a pub or a club was the visitor's own choice to do so and any risks thereof is their responsibility.
Does that sound selfish?
Maybe it does, but there are people who have smoked all their lives and never developed a smoking-related illness (both my grandfathers smoked and neither died of cancer, nor any other smoking-related disease).
I would suggest that someone who has a family history of cancer and/or lung disease would be quite foolish to then begin smoking, likewise with asthmatic problems etc. My family do not have such a history and I've smoked most of my life and don't feel any the worse for wear for it.
Yet all because Roy Castle - a man I never met, who pursued fame & fortune by starting off in working men's clubs through his own CHOICE - began having a pop at smokers who he blamed for his condition, has prevented me from doing something I enjoy.
Am I selfish?
No more so than those who wish to enforce their will upon me, when quite clearly, they could have simply stayed out of the pubs if it bothered them that much.
As for the politicians that introduced the anti-smoking laws, most of whom never visit normal pubs and clubs like the majority of us, and then stupefyingly allowed the House of Commons bar to remain a place where one could smoke freely.
And that's my problem with it all. The law isn't uniform across the entire country, and as such, it shouldn't have a legal leg to stand on. "
Roy castle perused a career he loved, i dont think he welcomed the smoking but had little choice as there weren't venues in those days that were non smoking.
Smoking is now banned in pubs and clubs and learn to live with it. It is socially unacceptable to the majority. Just because you enjoy it then you should practice it at home in private and not inflict it in public. Keep it like your wanking. In private and not expose others to it who would rather not indulge.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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But all the staff in my pub smoke. And what about the old guys who used to come out to have a pint of bitter and a smoke on there pipes and have a game of cards pubs were the soul of a community and its been lost. |
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It would be foolish to believe that pubs only started closing in droves because of the smoking ban.....it has been happening for years.
There are so many factors to take into consideration, not least the way that supermarkets have offered a far cheaper alternative. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But all the staff in my pub smoke. And what about the old guys who used to come out to have a pint of bitter and a smoke on there pipes and have a game of cards pubs were the soul of a community and its been lost."
Maybe we should be handing packets of 20 at school gates to try and bring back community spirit.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Look it's simple, I have told you many times before, if you want to smoke in bars you can, don't moan about it do it.
All you need to do is become a Member of Parliament.
There are 7 bars in the House of Commons and House of Lords and it is legal to smoke in 6 of them.
So start your campaign now, become an MP, smoke in the bar and get exemption from a TV licence at home and Road Tax on your car  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Y'know they are still considering extending the ban to prevent smoking in private cars. of course it is already banned in Public Vehicles like buses, coaches and Company vehicles of any description (even forklift trucks working outside)
Apparently it is because some people take the children in thier cars, which means they probably take thier children into thier homes too, so watch this space for a indoor ban at home
I don't have kids at home (my youngest is 36) so I will ignore the car ban if it ever comes in happy to go to prison for my beliefs (done it before with the TV licence and will do it again) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If i recall correctly, the smoking ban in pubs was introduced to "protect" staff from being exposed to the obvious health risks.
However, individuals have a choice in their chosen professions, ie:
IF YOU DON`T LIKE HEIGHTS, DON`T APPLY FOR A JOB AS A STEEPLEJACK.
In Spain, and other parts of the continent, they have "smoking" and "non smoking" bars etc..... perfect!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Y'know they are still considering extending the ban to prevent smoking in private cars. of course it is already banned in Public Vehicles like buses, coaches and Company vehicles of any description (even forklift trucks working outside)
Apparently it is because some people take the children in thier cars, which means they probably take thier children into thier homes too, so watch this space for a indoor ban at home
I don't have kids at home (my youngest is 36) so I will ignore the car ban if it ever comes in happy to go to prison for my beliefs (done it before with the TV licence and will do it again) "
Smoking in cars is as dangerous as using a hand held phone. you have to light it and its a distraction. Smokers have a higher accident rate than non smokers with pedestrians. Nice to see someone with so little concern for others, bravo! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Roy castle perused a career he loved, i dont think he welcomed the smoking but had little choice as there weren't venues in those days that were non smoking.
Smoking is now banned in pubs and clubs and learn to live with it. It is socially unacceptable to the majority. Just because you enjoy it then you should practice it at home in private and not inflict it in public. Keep it like your wanking. In private and not expose others to it who would rather not indulge.
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Was there any real need for that last part about wanking? If you have a valid argument, say it, but let's leave the personal shit out, ok? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would have thought that common sense will have had smokers ceasing to smoke in their cars when children are with them.....shame that legislation might be needed to get the message home to them.
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Common sense and smoking don't go together so there is little else to do than enforce things upon them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Smokers have a higher accident rate than non smokers with pedestrians. "
In September 2007 the Driving Standards Agency (DSA), an executive agency of the Department for Transport, updated the Highway Code for the first time in eight years. Smoking has now been added to a list of distractions listed in the code that already included:
•Loud music
•Trying to read maps
•Inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
•Arguing with your passengers or other road users
•Eating and drinking
So, by your argument, those that play loud music have more accidents than those who don't, but what if a loud music playing non-smoker had an accident with a silence-loving smoker. Who's fault would it be? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Roy castle perused a career he loved, i dont think he welcomed the smoking but had little choice as there weren't venues in those days that were non smoking.
Smoking is now banned in pubs and clubs and learn to live with it. It is socially unacceptable to the majority. Just because you enjoy it then you should practice it at home in private and not inflict it in public. Keep it like your wanking. In private and not expose others to it who would rather not indulge.
Was there any real need for that last part about wanking? If you have a valid argument, say it, but let's leave the personal shit out, ok? "
What i have not taken other people into consideration. grow up will you its an example not personal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Smokers have a higher accident rate than non smokers with pedestrians.
In September 2007 the Driving Standards Agency (DSA), an executive agency of the Department for Transport, updated the Highway Code for the first time in eight years. Smoking has now been added to a list of distractions listed in the code that already included:
•Loud music
•Trying to read maps
•Inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
•Arguing with your passengers or other road users
•Eating and drinking
So, by your argument, those that play loud music have more accidents than those who don't, but what if a loud music playing non-smoker had an accident with a silence-loving smoker. Who's fault would it be?"
Any distraction will increase the chance of an accident so don't be so stupid in putting your point across. Lighting a cigarette in a car takes your eyes and concentration off the road FACT. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Any distraction will increase the chance of an accident so don't be so stupid in putting your point across. Lighting a cigarette in a car takes your eyes and concentration off the road FACT."
Wow, full of the insults this morning I see, bad time of the month etc?
Been a smoker for 36 of my 45 years, a drive for 26 of those same 45 years, and never had an accident whilst smoking in a car, nor lighting one up/disposing of a finshed one either.
Statistics can be tailored to suit any argument you want to promote and I'm sure if I look hard and long enough I'll find plenty of accident stats whereby a smoker was hit by a female non-smoker applying her make up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Any distraction will increase the chance of an accident so don't be so stupid in putting your point across. Lighting a cigarette in a car takes your eyes and concentration off the road FACT.
Wow, full of the insults this morning I see, bad time of the month etc?
Been a smoker for 36 of my 45 years, a drive for 26 of those same 45 years, and never had an accident whilst smoking in a car, nor lighting one up/disposing of a finshed one either.
Statistics can be tailored to suit any argument you want to promote and I'm sure if I look hard and long enough I'll find plenty of accident stats whereby a smoker was hit by a female non-smoker applying her make up."
So your saying because you haven't had an accident its perfectly safe! How introverted of you.
And its not insults so stop taking things so personal. Its the subject matter and your just being defensive of a habit that is now not publicly acceptable. |
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"But all the staff in my pub smoke. And what about the old guys who used to come out to have a pint of bitter and a smoke on there pipes and have a game of cards pubs were the soul of a community and its been lost."
i think the old guys died from lung cancer shaz?,at least thats what happened in my old local!,they redecorated,had a full refurb and now its a trendy pub and packed with punters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would have thought that common sense will have had smokers ceasing to smoke in their cars when children are with them.....shame that legislation might be needed to get the message home to them.
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I don't see how it can be enforced across the board though. It'll end up like speeding, you catch some but not all, but instead of cameras watching out for people smoking in their own homes we'll have teachers and nursery staff smelling our kids clothing to see if it's got that tell tale sign of smoke odour.
(Incidentally, I don't smoke in the house, always in the garden, and that applied in my first marriage as well as my second as both my wives were/are non-smokers, passionately so too which makes it even more bizarre that they married a smoker lol) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" its not insults so stop taking things so personal. Its the subject matter and your just being defensive of a habit that is now not publicly acceptable. "
Now.... just think this one over.
We are all members of a swingers site, of which a vast majority of the public find socially unacceptable.
We as swingers don`t criticise all varieties of practices available in the "scene" as its personal preference.
What would happen if we started openly venting our personal views on all and sundry?...... MAYHEM!!!
However when the issue of "smoking" is raised, the "soap boxes" come out. We all have an icon we can hit.... "Won`t meet smokers", the same as, interests, DP, ANAL, SOFT SWING,
Leave it where it belongs, CHOICE!!!  |
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I think the smoking in the house thing is a bit of an urban legend to be honest, totally unenforcable even if it were to become law.....which is highly unlikely, but I fully agree with smoking being banned in cars when children are present as they have little option than to put up with it and by the time they do have a say the damage may have been done. |
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" its not insults so stop taking things so personal. Its the subject matter and your just being defensive of a habit that is now not publicly acceptable.
Now.... just think this one over.
We are all members of a swingers site, of which a vast majority of the public find socially unacceptable.
We as swingers don`t criticise all varieties of practices available in the "scene" as its personal preference.
What would happen if we started openly venting our personal views on all and sundry?...... MAYHEM!!!
However when the issue of "smoking" is raised, the "soap boxes" come out. We all have an icon we can hit.... "Won`t meet smokers", the same as, interests, DP, ANAL, SOFT SWING,
Leave it where it belongs, CHOICE!!! "
It's an open discussion forum, everyone has a right to a view on this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the smoking in the house thing is a bit of an urban legend to be honest, totally unenforcable even if it were to become law.....which is highly unlikely, but I fully agree with smoking being banned in cars when children are present as they have little option than to put up with it and by the time they do have a say the damage may have been done."
I totally agree, but the plods are barely able to enforce the mobile phone law, so Christ only knows how they'd perform if they had to enforce a no smoking in your car law |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" don't be so stupid
Can't get more personal than that really. "
You are openly trying to portray me is a specific light. We shall see if you have the same attitude at the beach party. I doubt you will though as there will be men there and you prefer to be personal with females. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the smoking in the house thing is a bit of an urban legend to be honest, totally unenforcable even if it were to become law.....which is highly unlikely, but I fully agree with smoking being banned in cars when children are present as they have little option than to put up with it and by the time they do have a say the damage may have been done.
I totally agree, but the plods are barely able to enforce the mobile phone law, so Christ only knows how they'd perform if they had to enforce a no smoking in your car law"
It would be difficult to enforce as is the phone ban but what percentage of people would use a phone in a car if it was not illegal? If it saves one life or prevents one accident then its viable making it illegal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If we are going to ban smoking in cars because it increases the risk of having an accident then perhaps we should stop people using 2 way radios too, ok I know that emergency ambulance drivers and pursuit police cars have drivers who have undergone extensive training courses and at most times are manned by 2 people but what about
Panda cars often with one occupant
Taxi drivers
Bus drivers
Private Hire drivers
Coach drivers
Almost all of them have standard (or PSV) driving licences and training yet they use radio mikes and microphones (to talk to passengers) all the time, is that not a bigger distraction than perhaps smoking or eating a slice of toast (woman charged with eating toast some time ago) |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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Smoking in cars is as dangerous as using a hand held phone. you have to light it and its a distraction. Smokers have a higher accident rate than non smokers with pedestrians. Nice to see someone with so little concern for others, bravo!"
This statement isn't actually true at all! Where did you get your info from? The last official testing was done under Blairs' government and the results were quite different from what you state. The chap in charge of the testing was quietly removed, another put in his place and the results were re-published in a way that agreed with the government. The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts. We don't go to pubs anymore - we hate coming home with the stink of stale beer and cheap wine on our clothes, from where some pissed-up alco-addict can't walk in a straight line. |
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"If we are going to ban smoking in cars because it increases the risk of having an accident then perhaps we should stop people using 2 way radios too, ok I know that emergency ambulance drivers and pursuit police cars have drivers who have undergone extensive training courses and at most times are manned by 2 people but what about
Panda cars often with one occupant
Taxi drivers
Bus drivers
Private Hire drivers
Coach drivers
Almost all of them have standard (or PSV) driving licences and training yet they use radio mikes and microphones (to talk to passengers) all the time, is that not a bigger distraction than perhaps smoking or eating a slice of toast (woman charged with eating toast some time ago)"
Then ban them too if its a hand held device and not hands free. Just because they are used didn't justify holding a cigarette while driving. |
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Smoking in cars will never be outlawed on the strength of the 'road safety' argument, it is already covered in law anyway in the same way that drinking from a can or carton of juice, blowing your nose whilst the car is in motion or eating a burger is.....(Not being in control of a Motor Vehicle).
If it is brought into law as a stand alone offence then it will be because minors are inside the vehicle therefore putting their health at risk. |
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Smoking in cars is as dangerous as using a hand held phone. you have to light it and its a distraction. Smokers have a higher accident rate than non smokers with pedestrians. Nice to see someone with so little concern for others, bravo!
This statement isn't actually true at all! Where did you get your info from? The last official testing was done under Blairs' government and the results were quite different from what you state. The chap in charge of the testing was quietly removed, another put in his place and the results were re-published in a way that agreed with the government. The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts. We don't go to pubs anymore - we hate coming home with the stink of stale beer and cheap wine on our clothes, from where some pissed-up alco-addict can't walk in a straight line."
The statement is true and if you think taking a cigarette out, looking for a light, and igniting a cigarette isn't a distraction then that's a concern in its self. |
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Field Sales people at our company aren't allowed to smoke in their cars, it's classed as a place of work so the ban on smoking in cars is partially here anyway - I hate to see adults smoking in a car where there are children - can't they wait? I think the ban on smoking in pubs was a step too far but in a restaurant no one should be allowed to smoke!Z |
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" It's an open discussion forum, everyone has a right to a view on this."
Correct, well said, I have no problems with that. I was, however, merely stating my opinion..... For what its worth, it appears.
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts. "
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed. |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed."
No don't take the bus - the driver probably hs had a spliff  |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed."
Your not the only one worried by such a statement. |
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"I read on the internet the other day that Elvis was still alive and is shacked up with Michael Jackson on the moon in a little lunar house.....should I believe it?.
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Yes, everything on the internet is true - that little monkey lives with them too tho! Z |
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"I read on the internet the other day that Elvis was still alive and is shacked up with Michael Jackson on the moon in a little lunar house.....should I believe it?.
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Did it say if it was a "smoking" or a "non smoking" house/bubble?  |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed."
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking. |
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"I read on the internet the other day that Elvis was still alive and is shacked up with Michael Jackson on the moon in a little lunar house.....should I believe it?.
Did it say if it was a "smoking" or a "non smoking" house/bubble? "
I think it was optional, but apparently it had no atmosphere |
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"I read on the internet the other day that Elvis was still alive and is shacked up with Michael Jackson on the moon in a little lunar house.....should I believe it?.
Did it say if it was a "smoking" or a "non smoking" house/bubble? "
Yes they said it was a non smoking house but the local Lunar Pub has an outdoor smoking shelter, but smoking with that astronauts helmet on does prove troublesome. |
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people are once again trying to hijack the thread , with talk of alliens etc
lets get back to the crux of the thread
why are they exempt in the house of lords , and smoke there quite happily at the bar
and i bet even though parts of buckingham palace are now open to the public the queen has a crafty cigg when there |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed.
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking."
But thankfully it is illegal to drive in the UK while under the influence of cannabis, or any other illegal substance.
New roadside drug testing kits are being rolled out among police forces as we speak....thank god. |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed.
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking."
There may be no statistical evidence - but if you were having a fag and crashed - would you tell the truth if it was that that caused the accident - what about dropping the fag or the hot end blowing back at you? Distraction, smoke in eyes? Surely it's common sense that a person smoking is going to be concentrating less on driving that a person not smoking? Z |
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"people are once again trying to hijack the thread , with talk of alliens etc
lets get back to the crux of the thread
why are they exempt in the house of lords , and smoke there quite happily at the bar
and i bet even though parts of buckingham palace are now open to the public the queen has a crafty cigg when there "
The crux of the thread was originally quite light hearted, the lady was allowed to smoke at a bar and it felt 'naughty'! Z |
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"people are once again trying to hijack the thread , with talk of alliens etc
lets get back to the crux of the thread
why are they exempt in the house of lords , and smoke there quite happily at the bar
and i bet even though parts of buckingham palace are now open to the public the queen has a crafty cigg when there
The crux of the thread was originally quite light hearted, the lady was allowed to smoke at a bar and it felt 'naughty'! Z"
i guess thats how they must feel in the house of lords and buck house then , apart from it not being illegal |
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"Field Sales people at our company aren't allowed to smoke in their cars, it's classed as a place of work so the ban on smoking in cars is partially here anyway - I hate to see adults smoking in a car where there are children - can't they wait? I think the ban on smoking in pubs was a step too far but in a restaurant no one should be allowed to smoke!Z"
Totally agree with that I never smoke in a car restuarants pubs that serve food and where children are no smoking but a pint and fag goes together. |
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"Should be NON smoking pubs and smoking pubs....
That way you has your choice and not so many pubs will go out of buisness
...but all pubs have smoking areas, they're just outside, and it looks like those that use them have a right jolly old time talking to folk they normally wouldnt.
additionally, although the initial reaction was that trade would go down, it has, apparently, increased since the smoking ban. "
thats only because people have fewer to choose from |
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I (Jack) gave up about 18 months ago, and having pubs non smoking made it alot easier. I work in a pub too so it makes life a lot easier and bar / table stay cleaner.
I thought the point of the ban was so that people who worked in pubs and clubs didn't have the effects of second hand smoke, which seems fair enough. I know people would say it's our choice of job though.
Anyway, I was at a bar at the beginning of the year that closed the doors at 2am, and allowed smoking (as a private party, not legal, but what the hell). It did feel naughty and therefore good fun. And I didn't start smoking. But I did stink of smoke the next day. |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed.
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking.
There may be no statistical evidence - but if you were having a fag and crashed - would you tell the truth if it was that that caused the accident - what about dropping the fag or the hot end blowing back at you? Distraction, smoke in eyes? Surely it's common sense that a person smoking is going to be concentrating less on driving that a person not smoking? Z"
Ah! Common sense - you have an excellent, but flawed memory. Are you a boozer by any chance? Count the amount of accidents caused by boozers in comparison to those caused by smoking. To a smoker, having a cigarette can be therapeutic and calming, whilst regular boozers without alcohol in their systems can have a higher accident rate due to temporary withdrawal symptoms. These people are usually in denial and will blame anything else for their own addictive nature. |
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"Does Buckingham Palace have a licensed bar now?.....
Yes - and it serves aliens as well
Do they have pork scratchings?"
No but I did hear that Princ Philip had crabs |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed.
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking.
There may be no statistical evidence - but if you were having a fag and crashed - would you tell the truth if it was that that caused the accident - what about dropping the fag or the hot end blowing back at you? Distraction, smoke in eyes? Surely it's common sense that a person smoking is going to be concentrating less on driving that a person not smoking? Z
Ah! Common sense - you have an excellent, but flawed memory. Are you a boozer by any chance? Count the amount of accidents caused by boozers in comparison to those caused by smoking. To a smoker, having a cigarette can be therapeutic and calming, whilst regular boozers without alcohol in their systems can have a higher accident rate due to temporary withdrawal symptoms. These people are usually in denial and will blame anything else for their own addictive nature."
No, I'm not a 'boozer'!!! |
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When I used to smoke I could never smoke at the same time as driving as it either got in my eyes or I burnt my fingers when I turned the wheel !!
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What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao |
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao "
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao "
Hmm, probably just about covers the cost of treating smoking related illnesses |
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I read about the health of "our kids" re smoking but there are more "kids" that smoke than when i was younger.
Im often stopped by young kids(7 upwards) and asked "got a fag" ???
Its common practice in towns where they all stand and congregate..
They smoke more than i do.
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao
So I take it from that you don't agree that non smokers have rights regarding their health and safety?"
everyone has right, all im pointing out is the cost of everyones living if tobacco was banned, be honest can we really afford it? because as a single mum of 3 who just works a normal job i couldnt afford my shopping to go up, my gas, electric, taxs on my wages, the effect would be devastating to lots of house holds and i just dont think people think about that side of it
And the money they lost, and we are talking millions a year here would come out of our pockets
so be honest what would you rather, people smoke or you foot the bill for then stopping cause thats what it will boil down to |
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They are not talking about banning smoking totally so you can rest easily in your bed tonight and not fret too much.....
Just because some people agree with the smoking ban in pubs, restaurants and clubs it doesn't mean they want all smoking banned.....you can puff away one after the other for all I care.
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao
So I take it from that you don't agree that non smokers have rights regarding their health and safety?
everyone has right, all im pointing out is the cost of everyones living if tobacco was banned, be honest can we really afford it? because as a single mum of 3 who just works a normal job i couldnt afford my shopping to go up, my gas, electric, taxs on my wages, the effect would be devastating to lots of house holds and i just dont think people think about that side of it
And the money they lost, and we are talking millions a year here would come out of our pockets
so be honest what would you rather, people smoke or you foot the bill for then stopping cause thats what it will boil down to"
People wont or wont think about that side of things till it happens.
And anyways...
I dont drive yet have to put up with the crap comming from them ..
And which apparantly ??? causes as much if not more problems than fags |
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I dont drive yet have to put up with the crap comming from them ..
And which apparantly ??? causes as much if not more problems than fags "
oh yeah good point well made, as a none diver i insist all you drivers dont drive by me in publie lmao |
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think on the bright side, when your non smoker is sat in their own piss, tongue lolling out at the old folks home with another 10 years of the same to come your average smoker will be dead. |
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao
So I take it from that you don't agree that non smokers have rights regarding their health and safety?
everyone has right, all im pointing out is the cost of everyones living if tobacco was banned, be honest can we really afford it? because as a single mum of 3 who just works a normal job i couldnt afford my shopping to go up, my gas, electric, taxs on my wages, the effect would be devastating to lots of house holds and i just dont think people think about that side of it
And the money they lost, and we are talking millions a year here would come out of our pockets
so be honest what would you rather, people smoke or you foot the bill for then stopping cause thats what it will boil down to
People wont or wont think about that side of things till it happens.
And anyways...
I dont drive yet have to put up with the crap comming from them ..
And which apparantly ??? causes as much if not more problems than fags "
And of course none of the goods or services you use require people to drive?
I smoked for one reason, pleasure.
Not to pay tax, not to improve the lives of those around me, not for convenience. It's an entirely selfish activity.
I gave up because I didn't want it to affect my health more than it already had. |
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It is really bad for kids to be around smokers, it will just encourage them to start smoking themselves, then just think of the problems they will have, it means far less money for drugs and binge drinking |
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"additionally, although the initial reaction was that trade would go down, it has, apparently, increased since the smoking ban.
i cant see how that can be true, theres loads of pubs that have gone out of buisness and closed down, new houses built on the land etc since the smoking ban how can it have possibly have increased trade since the smoking ban?
Lets be honest the only pubs that still get busy are the ones in the towm centres on a friday and saturday night, most of the smaller pubs out of town have gone now"
sorry can't agree the high street in our village still has 4 thirving pubs |
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after reading all that gumph i had to light a cigarette! and a duty free one at that!
i worked in pubs as a smoker and must say the ban has made it a more pleasent enviroment but on the flip side its caused more arguements and fights! why? people are outside i cant keep an eye out for any trouble and i cant hear it, nor can i see the local drug dealer comin in or various other shady activities.
i feel the ban has impacted on trade slightly but cheap supermarket alcohol and rising running cost ie licences etc have made it more expensive and less profit.
as for children in pubs here in jockland they only allowed in if adults are havin a meal and no later than 10.30pm if its a private function ie party!!
as for smokin in car does no one put the window down???
il admit to it i smoke with kid in car but window down for ash and reek to go out and other window down for dog to hang its head out!
and before anyone starts about the cost to the nhs of my smoking i dont really care for what i pay in tax and national insurance etc and the fact iv never been in hospital with exception of child birth and very rarely at the docs so iv paid in and at some point il probably be gettin somethin back out!!
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"additionally, although the initial reaction was that trade would go down, it has, apparently, increased since the smoking ban.
i cant see how that can be true, theres loads of pubs that have gone out of buisness and closed down, new houses built on the land etc since the smoking ban how can it have possibly have increased trade since the smoking ban?
Lets be honest the only pubs that still get busy are the ones in the towm centres on a friday and saturday night, most of the smaller pubs out of town have gone now
sorry can't agree the high street in our village still has 4 thirving pubs"
The national trend paints a far different picture though, between 40 and 50 pubs closing each and every week.
You can't take these 4 village pubs as a perfect example as you don't know their finances and for all you know one or more of them might well be on the brink of bankruptcy, in our friends pub it is only the £40,000 kitchen they had put in and their new chef that has saved them from the abyss.....for now. |
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"What i dont get is if the goverment are so apposed to smoking why not ban fags?
i think we know the answer to that really dont we?
Because they dont care about your health they just need to be seen to care
Why are duty free fags illegal? cause they bad for you? nahhhh its cause you havnt paid tax on them
So they dont mind making money out the smokers
If this country banned tobacco they reacon the country would fall into a financial crisis within a year, do you really think this country would cope without the tax it makes off tobacco?
So think about that all you moaning none smokers because without us tax's on EVERYTHING else would go up, from your beans in the super market to pretrol and the money they take out your wages.......oh but at least you wouldnt smell of smoke after a night out lmao
So I take it from that you don't agree that non smokers have rights regarding their health and safety?
everyone has right, all im pointing out is the cost of everyones living if tobacco was banned, be honest can we really afford it? because as a single mum of 3 who just works a normal job i couldnt afford my shopping to go up, my gas, electric, taxs on my wages, the effect would be devastating to lots of house holds and i just dont think people think about that side of it
And the money they lost, and we are talking millions a year here would come out of our pockets
so be honest what would you rather, people smoke or you foot the bill for then stopping cause thats what it will boil down to"
Thats all fine if people bought duty paid cigarettes. The Fact is a huge number of cigarettes smoked in the uk are not Uk duty paid. So your point on prices being kept low doesn't hold true. |
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my mum and dad owned a pub in south london in the late 50's thru to 1989 where everyone seemed to smoke.
They are both in their seventies now and neither have ever suffered with a smoke related illness.(if you don't count the power cuts in the 70's when we managed to set fire to the cellar with a candle).
granted,it may well affect different people in different ways but the odd puff of smoke coming your way outside a pub isn't going to kill you.
i smoked for 30 years and gave it up 3 months ago and haven't smoked a cigarette since. will i live longer? probably not.it'll just feel like it!
i still go outside with my smoker friends at the pub. in london smokers are (or seem) more sociable |
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i dont care the once a year holiday bonus is the duty free brung back! maximum is meant to be ten cartons i dare say a few times iv been over that but its the chance i take!
for what im payin in bloody airport tax im gettin back saving buyin cigarettes here!
and im not even goin to start on fuel tax!! xx |
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"it was EU 16 cartons +3k of baccy and non EU 1 carton last time i looked
i remember when you could smoke on the plane "
fook sake eurotabacco told us ten!! i would have sacrificed some clothes for another 6 cartons!!!
yeah i remember that too!! sittin beside my gran a bomb could have went off and you wouldnt have noticed for the smoke lol!! |
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I have had this discussion with smoker friends, and have asked them if I sneezed in their face, would they mind?
The usual answer is that, yes, they would mind very much.
So, they can sit there exhaling smoke which does cause illness, disease and death, but will get uppitty if I sneeze on them..... go figure!!! |
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The same happened with the marijuana testing. Statistically, it's safer to drive having had a joint than it is with no outside stimuli. The results are out there in T'internet land for those who want to look beyond their own cataracts.
It is deeply worrying that anyone would really believe it is safer to drive under the influence of Cannabis than without drugs in their system.....I might start to take the Bus into work for my own safety if this is widely believed.
I believe what I read in reports from independant sources that are medically sound, from organisations who have nothing to gain either way. Higher accident rates were reported to be from people who take anti-depressants and women suffering from PMT. There has been NO (I'll say that again for the hard of reading) - NO statistical independant evidence has EVER been found to show that smoking whilst driving is more dangerous than not smoking.
There may be no statistical evidence - but if you were having a fag and crashed - would you tell the truth if it was that that caused the accident - what about dropping the fag or the hot end blowing back at you? Distraction, smoke in eyes? Surely it's common sense that a person smoking is going to be concentrating less on driving that a person not smoking? Z"
point in case is on the bbc news website today about a man who killed a woman when he bent over whilst driving to pick up a dropped cigarrette and veered into another lane.
just wondering if all these smokers who complainm about not being allowed to smoke in pubs actually smoke in their own homes...and if not, why not? |
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"i dont miss going home and waking up to find my clothes full of fag burns and my hair smelling of smoke....."
Neither do I. Used to avoid going out because of the smoke and the smell. Now I dont its great!!! |
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"I don't smoke, however, I seem to end up on the smoking deck mingling with the smokers often.  "
as do I as most of my friends tend to smoke...but it is a smoking deck, outdoors...if it were a smoking room...I would not as I would end up sick with a massive headache after.. |
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"http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/14562
The above thread tells you what links are allowed on the forums."
Fair enough, my apologies.
I was trying to provide reliable figures and head off any 'what are your sources?' comebacks.
Suffice it to say that smoking generates £8.7bn and the NHS takes £5.17bn of that to treat smoking-related illnesses.
That leaves a surplus of £3.43bn and I wonder how many of those vehement non-smokers would refuse treatment for a serious illness if they were told that the money providing it came from the tax that smokers pay. |
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"I would have thought that common sense will have had smokers ceasing to smoke in their cars when children are with them.....shame that legislation might be needed to get the message home to them.
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If smokers had common sense they wouldn't do it in the first place,
no more than Heroin or Cocaine addicts would do that.
Robbie Williams once described Cocaine use as "Gods way of saying you have too much money", the same can be said of smoking.
As for pubs closing,the cheep influx of foreign booze combined with British booze tax is the chief cause of that.
The pubs that have stayed open must save a fortune in carpets,upholstery and decor that aren't being ruined by smokers.R
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"The pubs that have stayed open must save a fortune in carpets,upholstery and decor that aren't being ruined by smokers.R
XX"
I've watched a Kirby cleaning machine engineer clean a pub carpet that you could TAP you fingers on, it was that grotty. He brought the carpet back to it's original condition and it most certainly wasn't caused by cigarette smoke, so your argument carries no weight whatsever. |
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"The pubs that have stayed open must save a fortune in carpets,upholstery and decor that aren't being ruined by smokers.R
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I've watched a Kirby cleaning machine engineer clean a pub carpet that you could TAP you fingers on, it was that grotty. He brought the carpet back to it's original condition and it most certainly wasn't caused by cigarette smoke, so your argument carries no weight whatsever."
I've personally seen smokers drop used fags onto a brand new pub carpet and grind them out under foot.
Also,how many pub seats have you seen riddled with fag burns,I've seen hundreds,not to mention the burns to others clothing.
It seems smokers have the same consideration for fixtures and fittings as they do for other customers.
So, on the contrary,I think my argument holds plenty of weight. R |
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"The pubs that have stayed open must save a fortune in carpets,upholstery and decor that aren't being ruined by smokers.R
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I've watched a Kirby cleaning machine engineer clean a pub carpet that you could TAP you fingers on, it was that grotty. He brought the carpet back to it's original condition and it most certainly wasn't caused by cigarette smoke, so your argument carries no weight whatsever.
I've personally seen smokers drop used fags onto a brand new pub carpet and grind them out under foot.
Also,how many pub seats have you seen riddled with fag burns,I've seen hundreds,not to mention the burns to others clothing.
It seems smokers have the same consideration for fixtures and fittings as they do for other customers.
So, on the contrary,I think my argument holds plenty of weight. R"
i remember saving for this beautiful brushed silk shirt, it was over £100 and wearing for the first night and someone 'hot-ending' it....it was deliberate too. you may argue it was my fault as i chose to wear it, but as everywhere was smoking in those days, where else could i wear it other than at home?! also, i dont think i should have had to compromise my wardrobe for a smoker.
cigarettes were often used for malicious use and more often than not, you wouldnt know until the next day so couldn't point the finger
to correct my earlier post, it was the metro, not the bbc website, that ran the story of the masle nurse who killed a mother of three when he was distracted retrieving a dropped cigarette whilst driving his car |
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As a heavy smoker i, like others where up in arms about the smoking ban. Anyway three years on i think its brilliant, most places have really nice smoking area's, you get to chat to far more people then you ever did. I do however, feel sorry for the typical working mens pubs, these are the ones that dont sell food. I think they should have a choice whether to be smoking or no smoking pubs. |
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"As a heavy smoker i, like others where up in arms about the smoking ban. Anyway three years on i think its brilliant, most places have really nice smoking area's, you get to chat to far more people then you ever did. I do however, feel sorry for the typical working mens pubs, these are the ones that dont sell food. I think they should have a choice whether to be smoking or no smoking pubs."
As I was, but, like you, I also agree with the ban as pubs are undoubtedly cleaner but there is a down side and I feel personally that a lot of character has been lost from our pubs these days. That's partly due to the smoking ban but also due to the very high tax on alcohol and low prices of booze in supermarkets. These have all contributed to the downturn in the pub trade in my opinion, and I can't help feeling that the last government deliberately allowed it to happen, and possibly actively contributed to it, in their drive to have absolute nanny-state control of what we do, think, drink, say and eat. |
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We will i think always have this same arguement re smoking
I started when any dangers etc were not known. Troops were even given ciggies free of charge.
You could smoke anywhere and everywhere and yes i agree to an extent about not smoking in small public places etc.
But i also feel that as im taxed to the hilt like many other smokers...
We should have a choice. Same as anyone else . |
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"We will i think always have this same arguement re smoking
I started when any dangers etc were not known. Troops were even given ciggies free of charge.
You could smoke anywhere and everywhere and yes i agree to an extent about not smoking in small public places etc.
But i also feel that as im taxed to the hilt like many other smokers...
We should have a choice. Same as anyone else ."
After all this debate I think this last post just about says it all and is right at the crux of the matter.
Great post. |
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we enjoy going out for a drink and do so a few times a week when abroad
but under no circumstances would i use a pub in the UK , havent been in a UK pub since the ban
there is a pub opposite our house in luton and we used to go in there to play darts etc , but never again
the pub has a sign outside now as its up for sale , i doubt it will remain a pub though
its got nothing to do with cheap supermarket booze
you can get a bottle of beer in france or spain for about 15p , but the bars are busy , selling beer for £1.25 a glass
its all very well going outside for a cig if you dont mind loosing your table , going one at a time , and not being able to play pool darts or cards
and of course if its a nice summer day
but october november december january february march april may
you can keep it , cos im not standing outside
its a bloody joke when everyone knows if theres a good extractor system you cant smell smoke at all , the MOONS pubs had it sorted |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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Wishynsiren I have saw your input a few times in the forums and if there is a negative at all you always come up with "ITS THE FAULT OFF THE LAST GOVERNMENT" why?
A consiracy to shut pubs are you serious?
Think the coalition have got a great getout now as everything rotten thing they do or mess up they are already saying was the fault of the last government and they will be saying it for the next 10 years god forbid. |
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A young lad is totally into tractors. He subscribes to the latest magazines, he know the latest models etc. One day however, he sees a tractor kill a dog and he becomes less and less interested in tractors because every time he thinks of them he is reminded of the poor dog.
10 years pass and the lad (now a young man) walks into a bar with his girlfriend.
Girlfriend : God I hate it when its so smoky in these places?
The lad takes a deep breath and much to his girlfriends amazement he then proceeds to breathe in all the smoke in the bar.
Girlfriend : Wow, how did you do that??
Young Man : Didn't you know that I'm an ex-tractor fan!!
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"Wishynsiren I have saw your input a few times in the forums and if there is a negative at all you always come up with "ITS THE FAULT OFF THE LAST GOVERNMENT" why?
A consiracy to shut pubs are you serious?
Think the coalition have got a great getout now as everything rotten thing they do or mess up they are already saying was the fault of the last government and they will be saying it for the next 10 years god forbid."
the last government belonged to the queen , so it must be her fault |
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Im actually looking forward to going to turkey in sept.
They are big smokers (men) and its lovely to go out and have a meal...and a fag after tho you normally move out of the ways of the tables.
Mind you....
Everything is outside. |
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"Wishynsiren I have saw your input a few times in the forums and if there is a negative at all you always come up with "ITS THE FAULT OFF THE LAST GOVERNMENT" why?
A consiracy to shut pubs are you serious?
Think the coalition have got a great getout now as everything rotten thing they do or mess up they are already saying was the fault of the last government and they will be saying it for the next 10 years god forbid."
Because I firmly believe that Brown and Blair would love to have embraced the fullest version of socialism that they could - communism. But they couldn't, so they went for the next best thing, as much social control as possible within the realms of the law, and you must be blind or stark staring mad not to have seen it.
Smoking didn't need to be banned in public places, it was all a show of power. Plenty of regulations could have been brought in before any move towards a total ban to lessen the impact of such a move, but they went for the jugular in a bid to pacify the anti-smoking groups, medical lobbyists etc etc etc.. |
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"Wishynsiren I have saw your input a few times in the forums and if there is a negative at all you always come up with "ITS THE FAULT OFF THE LAST GOVERNMENT" why?
A consiracy to shut pubs are you serious?
Think the coalition have got a great getout now as everything rotten thing they do or mess up they are already saying was the fault of the last government and they will be saying it for the next 10 years god forbid.
Because I firmly believe that Brown and Blair would love to have embraced the fullest version of socialism that they could - communism. But they couldn't, so they went for the next best thing, as much social control as possible within the realms of the law, and you must be blind or stark staring mad not to have seen it.
Smoking didn't need to be banned in public places, it was all a show of power. Plenty of regulations could have been brought in before any move towards a total ban to lessen the impact of such a move, but they went for the jugular in a bid to pacify the anti-smoking groups, medical lobbyists etc etc etc.. "
brown and blair practically destroyed labours socialist roots never mind communism!
the original smoking ban was either the irish or scottish government i cant remember which one exactly!
as in the case of pubs and public places, as much as it breaks my heart to say it it was for the right reasons for the protection of other people. we all know the risks of second hand smoke etc and we all know about the compensation culture , was it maybe to prevent claim cases 30 years down the line from people that worked in these enviroments who knows?
i feel pubs should have had the chance to opt out and that airports should have been allowed to keep the small smoking areas they had especially glasgow airport its a long bloody 5hrs without a cigarette!! got to be against my human rights!! x |
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"p.s. I said it while they were in power too. I said that after smoking they'll go for booze. And that's what was happening but thankfully, it won't now."
baws!! david cameron backs the minimum pricing bill that the snp are tryin to push through up here that LABOUR mps are blocking! x |
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By *acreadCouple
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New Labour went so far to the right taht they no longer stood for the priciples they were founded on which left me wondering who the hell does the working man vote for now.
Communist's wouldnt suck up to industry captains and fatcat bankers.
Oh and I am so glad of the smoking ban as I do like to go out to a pub but I dont like sitting in a cloud of smoke aand when I did it was my choice just as it is now the choice of smokers whether they want to go into a pub and breathe fresh air or not now.
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"New Labour went so far to the right taht they no longer stood for the priciples they were founded on which left me wondering who the hell does the working man vote for now.
Communist's wouldnt suck up to industry captains and fatcat bankers.
Oh and I am so glad of the smoking ban as I do like to go out to a pub but I dont like sitting in a cloud of smoke aand when I did it was my choice just as it is now the choice of smokers whether they want to go into a pub and breathe fresh air or not now.
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i would be happy too if some of the customers smelt a bit fresher.....x |
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