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"Loved it" I'll be your Dr xxx | |||
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"Was Rubbish Discuss" Poor and a huge disappointment. Woke, poor story, just bad | |||
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"I think David Tenant WAS a great doctor but didn't think much to it this evening. " Only so much you can do with a piss poor script | |||
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"Well I for one celebrate non-binaryness saving the world (but obviously a male-presenting Doctor just wouldn’t understand)
6/10 "That's up to you but I suspect the majority will disagree and that will be reflected in the viewing figures. I may be wrong but I very much doubt it. Russell T saved it all those years ago, not this time in my opinion | |||
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"Well I for one celebrate non-binaryness saving the world (but obviously a male-presenting Doctor just wouldn’t understand)
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That's up to you but I suspect the majority will disagree and that will be reflected in the viewing figures. I may be wrong but I very much doubt it. Russell T saved it all those years ago, not this time in my opinion "You say that, but at least the little furry alien told us its chosen pronouns in case anyone misgendered it. Progress! | |||
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"Well I for one celebrate non-binaryness saving the world (but obviously a male-presenting Doctor just wouldn’t understand)
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That's up to you but I suspect the majority will disagree and that will be reflected in the viewing figures. I may be wrong but I very much doubt it. Russell T saved it all those years ago, not this time in my opinion
You say that, but at least the little furry alien told us its chosen pronouns in case anyone misgendered it. Progress! "Bollocks  | |||
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"A couple of hours before the opening titles ran, by coincidence I had been reading Requim Knight written by Pat Mills. So as an old 2000AD die hard fan, I was pleased to see the story was taken from one written by Pat Mills and David Gibbons, staples of quite dark 2000AD. I enjoyed what I saw, and I thought it was great fun. " I saw the name and wondered if it was the pat mills of 2000ad fame. Don't recall any of his stories being as shite though | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely!" Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it" Such a brave little soldier x | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it Such a brave little soldier x" Such a woke little star | |||
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"A couple of hours before the opening titles ran, by coincidence I had been reading Requim Knight written by Pat Mills. So as an old 2000AD die hard fan, I was pleased to see the story was taken from one written by Pat Mills and David Gibbons, staples of quite dark 2000AD. I enjoyed what I saw, and I thought it was great fun. I saw the name and wondered if it was the pat mills of 2000ad fame. Don't recall any of his stories being as shite though " Quote. 1980 AD! In Yorkshire, the authorities have dismissed reports that an Unidentified Flying Object was seen plummeting towards the ground… moments before the explosion that destroyed the Blackcastle Steel Mills. After all, Blackcastle is the last place on Earth aliens would ever want to visit… Local teenagers Sharon and Fudge know better. ’Cos they’ve found an actual space alien hiding in the allotments. He’s their alien. Their secret. And his name is… The Meep. He’s not the only alien in Blackcastle, though. His pursuers, the terrible Wrarth Warriors, are on his trail, along with their unwitting accomplice: The Doctor! Based on the Doctor Who Weekly comic strips written by Pat Mills and John Wagner, with art by Dave Gibbons Added note Sharon was to be the first POC companion of the Dr in print or film, so the story has a history of inclusively. | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it Such a brave little soldier x Such a woke little star" woke adjective UK /w??k/ US /wo?k/ aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality. The world is always changing, you can either cry because it’s not the past, or you can realise the world is no longer yours and belongs to a new generation. A woke generation. | |||
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 . I like Catherine Tate. It's probably made for kids, not me though. | |||
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"I'm more against, I expected better . I like Catherine Tate. It's probably made for kids, not me though. "Exactly this, it’s a children’s programme, it’s not made for middle aged folk. Like everyone who cry arsed about the Star Wars prequels, us old folk need to realise it’s not our show anymore. | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it Such a brave little soldier x Such a woke little star woke adjective UK /w??k/ US /wo?k/ aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality. The world is always changing, you can either cry because it’s not the past, or you can realise the world is no longer yours and belongs to a new generation. A woke generation. " Lol a minority | |||
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"I'm more against, I expected better . I like Catherine Tate. It's probably made for kids, not me though.
Exactly this, it’s a children’s programme, it’s not made for middle aged folk. Like everyone who cry arsed about the Star Wars prequels, us old folk need to realise it’s not our show anymore."A kids programme that wants to touch on adult themes! FFS | |||
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"It was alright. I was expecting better. The woke elements did feel a bit forced. " I thought that, at those points it felt more like a lesson in gender than a sci fi series. | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it Such a brave little soldier x Such a woke little star woke adjective UK /w??k/ US /wo?k/ aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality. The world is always changing, you can either cry because it’s not the past, or you can realise the world is no longer yours and belongs to a new generation. A woke generation. Lol a minority " And that’s why this is an argument you’ve already lost, it’s nothing to the teens or f today that someone is non binary, just as it was nothing to teens that someone was gay when I was growing up. The world has moved on, just like it always does, and each generation is more accepting of difference than the last. | |||
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"A couple of hours before the opening titles ran, by coincidence I had been reading Requim Knight written by Pat Mills. So as an old 2000AD die hard fan, I was pleased to see the story was taken from one written by Pat Mills and David Gibbons, staples of quite dark 2000AD. I enjoyed what I saw, and I thought it was great fun. I saw the name and wondered if it was the pat mills of 2000ad fame. Don't recall any of his stories being as shite though " His character not his story, that was written by the overrated Russell T Davis who yet again used one if his shows to force his political views on the rest of us. Davis is a mediocre writer at best. All of the great stories since 2005 were written by others, his stories are always a convoluted mess, as was thus one. Shame they seem to have squandered the 60th anniversary with such a dud first episode. | |||
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"I'm more against, I expected better . I like Catherine Tate. It's probably made for kids, not me though.
Exactly this, it’s a children’s programme, it’s not made for middle aged folk. Like everyone who cry arsed about the Star Wars prequels, us old folk need to realise it’s not our show anymore.
A kids programme that wants to touch on adult themes! FFS "Use of pronouns and being non binary aren’t adult themes, go into any secondary school these days and you will find loads of kids who are gay, bi, non binary etc. it’s just how the world is. | |||
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"I'm more against, I expected better . I like Catherine Tate. It's probably made for kids, not me though.
Exactly this, it’s a children’s programme, it’s not made for middle aged folk. Like everyone who cry arsed about the Star Wars prequels, us old folk need to realise it’s not our show anymore.
A kids programme that wants to touch on adult themes! FFS "Some of the best kids programs, TV and Films, touch on adult themes, below is a comment I wrote a few months ago on DoG in response to someone saying how can a kids film deal with adult issues, seems pertinent to your comment. "Kids films can be just as effective as adult dramas and deal with issues. Want a film about feeling old, past your prime and being replaced by a younger generation - Toy Story. How about the loss of a loved one and learning to re embrace happiness and joy in the world - Up. I'd also dare you to find a better love story than the first 10 minutes of Up which deals with emotions that goes from childhood infatuation, to romance, to heart break of not having kids, to acceptance then loss of a loved one. It's really easy to compare child's films to adult dramas, just because they are films aimed at kids doesn't make them less worthy of consideration and respect." | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far." Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. " Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like." Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far." Star Trek has always been political and woke, anyone who's a real fan of any Trek show knows this, for anyone to claim otherwise is nonsense | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem?" Because it not character it boring. The story arch the journey the Character goes on "not who scissoring who" like Wandavision she held a town against their well and wasn't punished for it she was let go by a Wahman | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans." Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem?" Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Star Trek has always been political and woke, anyone who's a real fan of any Trek show knows this, for anyone to claim otherwise is nonsense" Star Trek is way ahead of Disney in pushing the so called ‘woke agenda’ or being a decent human being as it’s also known. Gene Roddenberry was very much the bleeding heart liberal, and Star Trek portrayed post capitalist society on earth. | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience." I’m still confused to why the existence of lesbians in a fictional universe is such an issue for you. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for?" Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should." So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. | |||
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" Use of pronouns and being non binary aren’t adult themes, go into any secondary school these days and you will find loads of kids who are gay, bi, non binary etc. it’s just how the world is." Loads of kids heavily manipulated by influencers and outside pressure more like (I say this from family experience with a ND child). How many of these kids (not all granted as many truly are gay, bi etc and I’ve zero issue with that)will stop at some point and say ‘oh, hang on…’ Growing up kids were more concerned about the latest trainers, Bikes, music etc and barely have sexual identity a second thought. As kids I’m sure we all had moments of question, moments of doubt, moments of exploration and moments of insecurity. We all want to belong. These kids all want to belong. Doesn’t mean they all are. Social media and gesture politik has a lot to answer for. Look at Scotland to see how lobbying has backfired spectacularly. A mental health epidemic waiting to happen (and no, I’m not saying being gay/ bi/ trans is a mental illness). R | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience. I’m still confused to why the existence of lesbians in a fictional universe is such an issue for you." That isn't an issue at all for me have you seen flesh gordon? The issue is for me is investing my time and money supporting a franchise for that franchise to decide that the characters i have invested in, are changed according to an idea or promotion of other ideas not really associated with the character or formate of the franchise. And the final insult is the target audience do not support it (exception being Barbie which was well supported), so it flops ruining a franchise and my investment. So all I am saying here is if Dr Who has gone woke and American fans turn away the its goodbye Dr. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it." Playing devil's advocate I guess it could be that middle aged white men are not really looked upon very well in woke productions and they've pushed the star of his own franchise to the side in favour of a Mary Sue. I mean it used to be referred to as the Skywalker saga. Personally I think this could have been easily remedied just by making her Luke's daughter. Fans would have then totally bought into her Jedi powers. But that's what happens when you make a trilogy with no idea of where the trilogy is actually going to go and hire three different people to plan each one without an overall blueprint. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it." It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience. I’m still confused to why the existence of lesbians in a fictional universe is such an issue for you. That isn't an issue at all for me have you seen flesh gordon? The issue is for me is investing my time and money supporting a franchise for that franchise to decide that the characters i have invested in, are changed according to an idea or promotion of other ideas not really associated with the character or formate of the franchise. And the final insult is the target audience do not support it (exception being Barbie which was well supported), so it flops ruining a franchise and my investment. So all I am saying here is if Dr Who has gone woke and American fans turn away the its goodbye Dr. " Surely the thing about Dr Who is that they change all the time? It’s always been a progressive show, it’s anti colonialist to its heart and has more often than not had an anti-capitalist leaning, as well as being as inclusive to different races and sexualities. Now can you tell me how Luke Skywalker’s character arc is ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars " That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. Playing devil's advocate I guess it could be that middle aged white men are not really looked upon very well in woke productions and they've pushed the star of his own franchise to the side in favour of a Mary Sue. I mean it used to be referred to as the Skywalker saga. Personally I think this could have been easily remedied just by making her Luke's daughter. Fans would have then totally bought into her Jedi powers. But that's what happens when you make a trilogy with no idea of where the trilogy is actually going to go and hire three different people to plan each one without an overall blueprint. " And it is these middle-aged white men who pay their cash to see the movie, but it doesn't end there, there is the books, toys, podcasts, comics, cartoons, clothes, models the list is long that supports the franchise that these men pay for. Pushing them to the side kills a franchise because the new target audience shows no support. Why am I bothered Dr Who is a British staple like it or not for it to go woke to satisfy American audiences is a dangerous move right now it could end the longest running franchise. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like." Says the person who knows me so well, I am a massive geek a follower of popular culture Dr Who is not my favourite franchise but I see how big it is and the many followers it has. Hence I wouldn't want to see it ruined due to wokeness, the strength of your franchise supports the strength of mine. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like. Says the person who knows me so well, I am a massive geek a follower of popular culture Dr Who is not my favourite franchise but I see how big it is and the many followers it has. Hence I wouldn't want to see it ruined due to wokeness, the strength of your franchise supports the strength of mine." The Skywalker character arc you describe is not ‘woke’ though, it’s poor writing. You do understand what woke is, don’t you? | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like. Says the person who knows me so well, I am a massive geek a follower of popular culture Dr Who is not my favourite franchise but I see how big it is and the many followers it has. Hence I wouldn't want to see it ruined due to wokeness, the strength of your franchise supports the strength of mine. The Skywalker character arc you describe is not ‘woke’ though, it’s poor writing. You do understand what woke is, don’t you?" Yes woke is like watching Dr Who or Star Wars. | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like. Says the person who knows me so well, I am a massive geek a follower of popular culture Dr Who is not my favourite franchise but I see how big it is and the many followers it has. Hence I wouldn't want to see it ruined due to wokeness, the strength of your franchise supports the strength of mine. The Skywalker character arc you describe is not ‘woke’ though, it’s poor writing. You do understand what woke is, don’t you?" Why SW fans considered Lukes story to be woke is due to him the main character being replaced by a women there I said it, that why Lukes story arc is considered woke | |||
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"Shame to hear about the Dr being not so good, even more sorry to hear it was w8ke. Dr Who is not my favourite franchise and I have yet to see yesterdays episode, for me as a Si-Fi fan is Dr Who isn't really is-fi more fiction with a splash of science. Kinda like soft porn version of science fiction. If Dr Who has gone woke then they need to look at Star Wars, Star Trek and DC Comics all their fans have turned their backs on these Francises due to the woke element that has been insisted upon. If you James Bond fans are wondering were is Bond, well Bond is hiding until the woke dust settles and it is ok for men to be men again on film. I hear that Marvel are now rewriting the scripts for the upcoming Blade and Fantastic Four movies to de-woke the scripts. There is a saying in the film industry "Go woke, get broke" for context please read about Marvel latest flop The Marvals 700 million or so dollars to produce expected to make over a billion dollars, but flopped and brought in a fraction of that thus far. Not really a fan of DC or Marvel (except Wandavision, which was excellent) but I’m interested in how you think Star Wars has gone ‘woke’. Also, the phrase “go woke, go broke” is not from the film industry, it’s from right wing communities who attempt to engineer boycotts of products they don’t like. Well they use it in the film industry as well, there is an article in variety Titled Go woke get broke referring to Disneys recent films including the great remake of willow now taken off Disney+ due to blacklash from fans of the original. As for Star Wars I will just say Luke Skywalker what happened to him. Also the force is now female ref Kathleen Kennedy, that turned away fans in their millions world wide, the excellent Mando look what happened to him, Mando went from saving Star Wars to again putting the franchise into danger. So yeh get woke go broke is the correct term, for any industry that wants to push an idea no fans want to hear well most fans. Could you tell me how what happened to Luke Skywalker is woke? And also, how many series of The Mandalorian has Kathleen Kennedy been in charge for? Well if your interested you should look for yourself really. Mark Hamill warned fans in interviews for the movie it is on YouTube go look Kath Ken is in charge of lucasfilm so is in charge of all the productions that Lucas film and series is producing at this time. It is easy searched put yourself to the test and not me. If you like Dr Who great support it as a fan should. So Kathleen Kennedy has been in charge of The Mandalorian for all of its series, the ones you like and the ones you don’t. So it going ‘woke’ doesn’t seem to be down to her Introduction? Watch South Park they ripped her a new one last week really took the mick out of her. Kath Ken is the person Star Wars fans blame for the failure of Star Wars franchise "get a chick and make her gay" is quoted as her The great Jon Favreau was the creator of Mando, but he has now left due to decisions made by Kath Ken,. I’m asking you how Luke Skywalker’s character arc has anything to do with being ‘aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality’? Not what Mark Hammill thought of it. It is the destruction of Luke Skywalker and how they made him a weak and conflicted Character who needed saving and eventually killed off, to be replaced by Ray that is the problem for fans if you want to know then YouTube midnights edge/Star Wars That’s not ‘woke’ though, it’s just poor writing. You seem to use the word ‘woke’ for anything you don’t like. Says the person who knows me so well, I am a massive geek a follower of popular culture Dr Who is not my favourite franchise but I see how big it is and the many followers it has. Hence I wouldn't want to see it ruined due to wokeness, the strength of your franchise supports the strength of mine. The Skywalker character arc you describe is not ‘woke’ though, it’s poor writing. You do understand what woke is, don’t you? Why SW fans considered Lukes story to be woke is due to him the main character being replaced by a women there I said it, that why Lukes story arc is considered woke" 1) some Star Wars fans, I’m a Star Wars fan and I don’t consider it to be in any way woke. 2) the main character of sequel films being a woman is not woke, women are more than 50% of the population. Sadly there is a group of middle aged men who just don’t seem to be able to accept the world isn’t like it was when they were young. | |||
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"Anyway, back on topic. Come on this is a fuck site! Catherine Tates tits. Eh? Eh? Phwoooaarrr! ( . Y . )" | |||
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"The episode is getting a lot of love online (including from me). Dr Who has been the equivalent of woke since 1963. It's first story is about how destructive individualism is compared to working together. The second is about the need to fight fascism and the dangers of the nuclear bomb. In the early 1970s the show's most frequent writer was a communist and the producer was a Buddhist who wrote a story about the risks of pollution and artificial intelligence. The show frequently dealt with racism and misogyny (not always totally successfully it must be admitted). It has *always* had a Liberal slant, to the extent that the handful of right-wing stories stick out like sore thumbs. https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-star-beast-reactions-newsupdate/?fbclid=IwAR0SYW7QH6R-C7N1kyazCQ0f_3IpaxMcdiJ4XrXSpHBho0vQsgwhAvvRPAU " The same as my is-fi pleasure was woke from its creation but never referred to as that because the word didn't exist back in the 60's. What I hear from the movie press is that the ERG will never fund films that do not have some element of this agenda included in there movies. Hence why there is a lot of promotion for alternative views, but I think that is for another thread. | |||
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"It was excellent, particularly enjoyed it being brought into the 21st century with the use of pronouns. It will annoy all the right people, as Dr Who always has, with its progressive nature. The Meep was enjoyably cute, and the Dr/Donna relationship has always been my favourite in Dr Who. Could it have been better? Yes. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! Couldn't disagree more and not afraid to say it Such a brave little soldier x Such a woke little star woke adjective UK /w??k/ US /wo?k/ aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality. The world is always changing, you can either cry because it’s not the past, or you can realise the world is no longer yours and belongs to a new generation. A woke generation. " | |||
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"I enjoyed both episodes. Wish David Tennant was back for a proper season. He’s brilliant as The Doctor. " I’d like to see a whole season with Paul McGann | |||
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"I enjoyed both episodes. Wish David Tennant was back for a proper season. He’s brilliant as The Doctor. I’d like to see a whole season with Paul McGann" Blimey! I forgot he was in it! | |||
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"I enjoyed both episodes. Wish David Tennant was back for a proper season. He’s brilliant as The Doctor. I’d like to see a whole season with Paul McGann Blimey! I forgot he was in it! " I watch the Paul magian episode the other day on iplayer, part of the Whouniverse, good watch. | |||
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"I enjoyed both episodes. Wish David Tennant was back for a proper season. He’s brilliant as The Doctor. I’d like to see a whole season with Paul McGann" I thought it was nice touch they included him in the last episodes of jodies season, a lot of people forget he played the Doctor Tinder | |||
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"Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats." With Ncuti we might just get that gay black Dr Who ?? I'm looking forward to finding out how he portrays the part. Nita | |||
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"It's amazing how many people who don't even watch the show are outraged about it being progressive. "How is portraying an actual historical figure as having a different ethnic heritage progressive? Having a female Dr is progressive, having a black Dr is progressive. And don't roll out the argument doing the rounds about Jesus always being portrayed as white, so You can't complain when Newton is portrayed and Indian. There is a massive difference, Newton is an actual historical figure who lived, Jesus is a fairy tale character who was made up by white Catholic monks when the wrote the bible. | |||
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"Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. " There was no point from a story telling perspective to have that in there. That whole scene could have been cut and it wouldn't have done anything to the episode. RTD included it for the very same reason he includes a lot of stuff, because he wants to poke the hornets nest and troll everyone. It was tiring when he did it years ago, it's tiring now. Just write a bloody good story. | |||
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"Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats." | |||
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"Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats." I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD | |||
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"Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD" | |||
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"So explain the offensive term ‘gammon’ that you’ve used then? Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD" The term ‘gammon’ refers to a bigot whose face turns pink when angry, why would you find it offensive? | |||
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"It's amazing how many people who don't even watch the show are outraged about it being progressive.
How is portraying an actual historical figure as having a different ethnic heritage progressive?
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"So explain the offensive term ‘gammon’ that you’ve used then? Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD The term ‘gammon’ refers to a bigot whose face turns pink when angry, why would you find it offensive?" | |||
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"From the Cambridge Disctionary. You might want to research your posts a bit more before posting C ] UK informal offensive plural gammon an offensive word for someone whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right), used mainly about white men who are middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old): So explain the offensive term ‘gammon’ that you’ve used then? Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD The term ‘gammon’ refers to a bigot whose face turns pink when angry, why would you find it offensive?" Is it my fault racist old men are such snowflakes? | |||
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"From the Cambridge Disctionary. You might want to research your posts a bit more before posting C ] UK informal offensive plural gammon an offensive word for someone whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right), used mainly about white men who are middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old): So explain the offensive term ‘gammon’ that you’ve used then? Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD The term ‘gammon’ refers to a bigot whose face turns pink when angry, why would you find it offensive? Is it my fault racist old men are such snowflakes?" | |||
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"You keep digging pal and show the world what kinda person you really are From the Cambridge Disctionary. You might want to research your posts a bit more before posting C ] UK informal offensive plural gammon an offensive word for someone whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right), used mainly about white men who are middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old): So explain the offensive term ‘gammon’ that you’ve used then? Wow such hatred and bile towards middle age white people. Seems a default to all your posts. Loved it, the Isaac Newton bit was particularly good, got all the “I’m not racist but…” types frothing, predictably. Catherine Tate is my favourite companion and Tennant my favourite doctor (of the modern times, nobody beats Tom Baker) so it was a bit of an open goal as far as I’m concerned but it was reasonably clever, and well acted. So a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to a gay black doctor, so all the gammons can get all homoerotic about things been forced down their throats. I didn’t mention middle aged white people, well apart from Tate and Tennant, and I said how much I like them. Mr DD The term ‘gammon’ refers to a bigot whose face turns pink when angry, why would you find it offensive? Is it my fault racist old men are such snowflakes?" Sure thing toots x | |||
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"It's amazing how many people who don't even watch the show are outraged about it being progressive.
How is portraying an actual historical figure as having a different ethnic heritage progressive?
In the past, it has always been white guys playing other ethnicities, such as in the Talons of Weng Chiang. Now we've got people of colour playing a few white folk.
Why does it matter to you?"Wait a minute, your argument is that a white actor was used to play a 51st century criminal masquerading as a Chinese god...two totally fictitious characters...so because of that Sir Isaac Newton, a real life historical figure, should be played by someone non-white as recompense. If Dr Who was meant to be educational and informative then surely it should be historically accurate across the board. Or are you Ok if they'd used a white actress to play Rosa Parks? I mean if we're not being educational or informative then every real life historical character is up for grabs. How far are you happy for them to go? A Vietnamese Diana Spenser, an Indian Winston Churchill, how about an aboriginal Pope John Paul II. Because using your framework these choices are perfectly acceptable. But, I will go back to my point made above. Why was Sir Isaac Newton even in the opening scene? It doesn't matter if he's white, black, pink, polkadot, what reason other than RTDs sad little insistence of including something in everything he writes that will cause a shitstorm. Remove that opening scene and the episode plays out exactly the same, it has no impact on what happens or the outcome at all. | |||
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"I like the idea, but the execution was a bit pants." My thoughts are similar. I was enjoying it up until the two squidgy demons turned up. Finished the episode but enjoyed the taster of the next one better than I did this one. The Newton bit I quite liked in terms of the story. The portrayal of Newton (character not colour) wasn’t to my taste at all. Clearly no research done or creative license at play. His colour I wouldn’t have noticed if I hadn’t seen this thread, think everyone’s talking about nothing regarding that. | |||
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"I think David Tenant WAS a great doctor but didn't think much to it this evening. Only so much you can do with a piss poor script " Davies is the god of writing for Who, Chibnall was shite | |||
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"It's amazing how many people who don't even watch the show are outraged about it being progressive.
How is portraying an actual historical figure as having a different ethnic heritage progressive?
In the past, it has always been white guys playing other ethnicities, such as in the Talons of Weng Chiang. Now we've got people of colour playing a few white folk.
Why does it matter to you?
Wait a minute, your argument is that a white actor was used to play a 51st century criminal masquerading as a Chinese god...two totally fictitious characters...so because of that Sir Isaac Newton, a real life historical figure, should be played by someone non-white as recompense.
If Dr Who was meant to be educational and informative then surely it should be historically accurate across the board.
Or are you Ok if they'd used a white actress to play Rosa Parks? I mean if we're not being educational or informative then every real life historical character is up for grabs.
How far are you happy for them to go? A Vietnamese Diana Spenser, an Indian Winston Churchill, how about an aboriginal Pope John Paul II. Because using your framework these choices are perfectly acceptable.
But, I will go back to my point made above. Why was Sir Isaac Newton even in the opening scene? It doesn't matter if he's white, black, pink, polkadot, what reason other than RTDs sad little insistence of including something in everything he writes that will cause a shitstorm.
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"Well I for one celebrate non-binaryness saving the world (but obviously a male-presenting Doctor just wouldn’t understand)
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That's up to you but I suspect the majority will disagree and that will be reflected in the viewing figures. I may be wrong but I very much doubt it. Russell T saved it all those years ago, not this time in my opinion
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"I quite enjoyed the first two episodes, even though it only took Catherine Tate about two lines of dialogue before she started shouting. Loved that they were able to use the Mills/Gibbon story for the Meep - a nice nod to the past. Wild Blue Yonder was well played and had some funny moments. Not seen the Giggle yet, but looking forward to it and the Christmas special. As an aside from the actual show, it's interesting to see how it flushes out the sort of people who you wouldn't want to share a bus with never mind have sex with them." Pretty sure there’s a dividing line of left/liberal/remainer/likes this Dr Who, and right/conservative/brexiter/doesn’t like this Dr Who. | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience. I’m still confused to why the existence of lesbians in a fictional universe is such an issue for you." Wait, what? Lesbians are real?  | |||
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"Have you not watch Ahsoka or any recent Star Wars. (Lesbians in Space) Disney 2023 film slate has had 5 films go into the top 10 biggest flops. The looney lifts can keep it they'll be out jobs before long. Like I said, not really interested in Marvel and the like, and so what if there are lesbians in fictional space universes, why do s that a problem? Quote from South Park last week "put a female init and make her gay" This years flops Indi, Flash, Marvals mermaid We await aqua-man . these films have not been supported by the target audience women, Tv's trans so has lead to their demise at the box office. Dr Who went woke last Dr and it flopped due to lack of support from the target audience. I’m still confused to why the existence of lesbians in a fictional universe is such an issue for you. Wait, what? Lesbians are real? "Yes they are real well that's what I am told. Lesbians in space is not an issue for me. The issue is that people will not watch their favourite programmes if they are turned in to something different or the post is changed to fit a new narrative. So with my franchise Star Trek it wasn't wokeness that has stalled it, it is greed they changed certain aspects of the show the viewers rebelled and just stopped supporting it, hence the movies being planned were cancelled no more trek at the cinema, and the amount of trek shows reduced. Star Wars are going the same, D,.C, Marvel all going woke to broke. And by the views on this thread The Dr looks to be going the same way. Which is a shame. | |||
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"I quite enjoyed the first two episodes, even though it only took Catherine Tate about two lines of dialogue before she started shouting. Loved that they were able to use the Mills/Gibbon story for the Meep - a nice nod to the past. Wild Blue Yonder was well played and had some funny moments. Not seen the Giggle yet, but looking forward to it and the Christmas special. As an aside from the actual show, it's interesting to see how it flushes out the sort of people who you wouldn't want to share a bus with never mind have sex with them. Pretty sure there’s a dividing line of left/liberal/remainer/likes this Dr Who, and right/conservative/brexiter/doesn’t like this Dr Who." Maybe Maybe not (though it is obviously a huge part of it) I'm not a fan of the past 2 The Dr plus current. Capaldi I was on the fence about, but overall I struggled. I am however a "don't give a fuck, I like what I like" attitude when it comes to going against the majority or what I "should" like. My favourite Dr (in order modern only) Matt Smith David Tennant John Hurt Eccleston Didn't like the rest much (writing played it's part) Matt Smith (I enjoyed the episodes and plots) Close 2nd (very close) Tennant. Wasn't a major fan of Eccleston, but he brought it back so was sort of the baseline for modern. Companions in order River and Wilf (they count!) Donna and Amy (with their respective Dr) Martha - highly underrated, and had a tough time following on from "beloved" Rose. Just as Matt did following on from DT. Rose - Simply didn't like Rose at all really, best part of Rose was her mum! For me, if Ncuti cant/doesn't bother to pull off the old man in an awkward young man's body then it won't work for me and I won't enjoy it. I've not watched Xmas special yet, but vibes from trailer didn't give me hope. Yet I do like Ncuti as an actor, great in Sex Ed. | |||
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"Tonight's episode CGI goblins ruined it...I fear the collaboration with Disney." I did like Ncuti and getting to know him as the Dr but I agree the goblins were a bit shit. Also had a labyrinth vibe to it and I did like the singing bit | |||
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"It's Xmas. It was one for the kids. Noo-ne can argue that Millie Gibson isn't the Dr's hottest companion ever." It’s Dr Who, the whole thing is for the kids! Also Karen Gillan is easily the hottest companion. | |||
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"It's Xmas. It was one for the kids. Noo-ne can argue that Millie Gibson isn't the Dr's hottest companion ever. It’s Dr Who, the whole thing is for the kids! Also Karen Gillan is easily the hottest companion." Kids? No. Family? Yes. There is a huge difference. Episodes like but not limited to Blink, Midnight, or storylines like River Song's are definitely not aimed towards kids. Ah hottest is subjective and depends on how you view it. Again, Freeman Agyeman gets underrated and unfairly lost amongst the others. | |||
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"Mrs Wells (Anita dobson) moans about the blue box and that Abdul put it there, but at the end she takes to the camera saying have you not seen a tardis before, is that lazy writing? Plus The doctor left a mom an ill nan and a baby in a flat that's in danger of collapse and then runs off with the daughter I.e kid nap for all the mom knows lol " Time travel! It's a big ball of wibbley wobbley timey wimey... Stuff. Expect that to potentially mean something, either not who she seems or The Dr changed something. As for the crack... That's what the Dr does, he saves the day. He does very little about the fallout. | |||
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"Mrs Wells (Anita dobson) moans about the blue box and that Abdul put it there, but at the end she takes to the camera saying have you not seen a tardis before, is that lazy writing? Plus The doctor left a mom an ill nan and a baby in a flat that's in danger of collapse and then runs off with the daughter I.e kid nap for all the mom knows lol " I thought Anita Dobson's character was called Mrs Flood. | |||
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"Mrs Wells (Anita dobson) moans about the blue box and that Abdul put it there, but at the end she takes to the camera saying have you not seen a tardis before, is that lazy writing? " She's clearly Rubys real mum. " Plus The doctor left a mom an ill nan and a baby in a flat that's in danger of collapse and then runs off with the daughter I.e kid nap for all the mom knows lol " Time travel, he could be gone with her for years and then return a second after he left. | |||
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